like have you said stuff that is just outright insane like "each and every one of us should be ready and willing to die for the society" purely in the hopes that you'd turn someone off?
i imagine for most of us trying to fade that would be the most difficult thing to do, but some people are really good at shutting down and just going with a flow, too.. .
i ask because it's the only possible explanation i can come up with for some of the really bat-shit insane stuff i've heard come from the podium.
One of the elders in my old congregation once asked, "now really, if you were to actually have to die for your brothers and sisters, would you? I doubt it. it's nice to talk about it, but it's another thing to do it"
I remember at least 3 elders taking a folder out of their brief cases and writing something down- they were frazzled. It was great
i wonder how many persons there are that had they got caught, would've been disfellowshipped for what they were doing.
by jw standards, should you have been disfellowshipped by now??
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Nothing is based on heart condition. It is based on elder's preconceived ideas.
well we all know that's really how it is, but technically, I am still unsure as to how this person would just say "I'd be reproved, not d/f'd" I just found it odd- I guess I can't explain it-
nobody has any clue because like u said, it depends on the elder-
has it sunk in for you people that your going to die yet?
i'm still avoiding the thought but it lurks in the back of my mind, i'm aware someday i've got to address it - like many here i didnt expect to live this far in this system, so i haven't any plan for life as of yet.. death frightens me.
i cannot sometimes watch a film with death of a character in a tragic way - there one moment with family/friends and a life and then not...i read the story about challenger the rocket that exploded and how the crew onboard that shuttle may well of been aware they were going to die.
I actually feared the idea of living forever and ever and ever and ever. Also, as a JW, I feared dying because I didn't understand the ressurection. Especially when it came to losing a spouse. If my husband died, that was it. We would never be married again. So in the back of my mind, the whole death thing terrified me because as a JW, there was no room to question all the what ifs. Dead=sleeping, it's finite, nothing else and you get ressurected later. It seemed odd to me.
Now that i'm out, I still obviously don't look forward to dying or losing loved ones, but death itself perplexes me and the idea of unanswered questions in some odd way, fascinates me. I find death easier to cope with now out of the organization than I did when I was in the organization. Maybe it's because I surround myself with people who really take to heart to live life to the fullest and I know when people go, they "go" satisfied with their lives and THAT is comforting to me.
on my travels this morning, i drove past an abandonded farm.
i've driven past here before, and stop there every may/june and pick the sweetest smelling lilacs.
something compelled me today to turn around and go back and do some exploring and take pictures.
BEAUTIFUL photos!
i posted this on one of "aleman's" threads and i've posted a similar scenario in the past.
i re-read it an decided i really like it and wanted to share it with all of you:.
please think about this scenario and tell me what you think:.
I for one take this stand: I do not believe in the narcissistic, sadist god of the Bible, but, if by some chance I am mistaken, and he does exist, I will NOT worship such a horrible creature.
I AM a loving parent and I would never treat my children in this barbaric way. I have no respect for anyone that would, be it a human, a spirit or the figment of someone's twisted imagination.
I agree -
I like the way you put it-
i wonder how many persons there are that had they got caught, would've been disfellowshipped for what they were doing.
by jw standards, should you have been disfellowshipped by now??
?
Probably reproved but not df'd.
Why would this be? Would you be showing repentence?
Perhaps I'm mistaken, but I don't believe certain sins fall under the "reproved" category versus the "DF'd" category.
it's based on "heart condition" right?
i've been warned.
i keep saying little things to my husband, and he clearly won't budge any more then he already has.
i just want him to see the truth.
My husband and I were engaged and ended up commited "fornication" on several occassions.
We thought it would be better if we confessed to get rid of the guilt. We confessed, got emotionally raped in those Judicial Committee meetings, got d/f'd, the elders told our parents to let us get married ASAP or break us up (we were both living at home at the time-only 17 and 18 years old). We got married in my parents living room with a justice of the peace. The next 8 years we kept from each other the humiliation that was given to us during our J/C meetings and never talked about it. We did get reinstated a year after we got married, but we were just young, scared kids afraid of losing our families for good, so of course we got reinstated. When we decided last year to leave the Org. we finally admitted to each other how we felt during that time of "confession". It was a horrible experience and did not leave us feeling renewed, loved, or disciplined at all.
Those are intimate details between you and your husband- regardless of whether or not you were married. Don't indulge the elders curiousity merely because theie WT Society's publications tell you to. If it really was a big deal in God's eyes, he'd step in and not have let you become a pioneer now would he? Seriously, it's nobody's business.
i wonder how many persons there are that had they got caught, would've been disfellowshipped for what they were doing.
by jw standards, should you have been disfellowshipped by now??
?
yeah, I guess so-
we celebrated Christmas and I wished a few people Happy Birthday now and then- oh and I told somebody "Bless you" when they sneezed- We've also seen rated R movies, gotten a little generous with our alcohol consumption and watched a sex video now and then.
Now that I think of it, we were doing all of this, except celebrating X-mas, before while we were active anyways.
be honest.
if your jw parent trusted you to comply with their wishes, would you honor their request?
I would respect their wishes-
However, I know my parents are so confused with the whole component/blood fractions thing that they just decided to not accept ANYTHING.
So if they get bit by a poisonous snake and need a shot that contains a blood compenant in order to save them, I'd have a VERY difficult time telling the Dr's not to give it to them
i haven't left.... 1 thing while i'm actually in is being here though.... i'm happy here.
i actually feel for the first time really "right" about something... .
I had sex with my husband-
We both made the decision and even though we always had a great marraige, there was something so amazing about being truly open and honest with each other about EVERYTHING and holding nothing back. Quite the aphrodisiac!
We have the most amazing conversations now about anything and everything- politics, money, religion, sex, art, entertainment, books,-
ETA: I just realized I answered the question wrong-
Sorry!
