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  Spoken Like A True Jehovah's Witness?

  by lovelylil in

  1. watchtower
  2. beliefs

  there is another thread discussing the bible student groups and i mentioned many similarities there between jw's and bible students, since i've had contact with both groups.

  now, bible students will strongly disagree that they are just like their sisters the jw's.

  so without saying another word, i present this statement made by a bible student on a bible student forum.

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  marmot

  Gopher - Maybe they're spiritually fair-skinned and don't want to get spiritually sunburned?
  
  That could lead to spiritual skin cancer, requiring spiritual chemotherapy.
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  News Release: Special Awake! Campaign

  by betterdaze in

  1. watchtower
  2. bible

  jehovah's witnesses office of public information .

  for immediate release .

  november 1, 2007 .

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  marmot

  There is one fundamental "stumbling block" that I have with the Bible that is only cursorily addressed in a single paragraph of wonderful circular reasoning. I've got the hard copy sitting next to me, this is what it says:
  
  AWAKE! November 2007
  Page 22
  
  "Myth of Fact?
  
  MYTH: Much of the book of Genesis, including the account about Adam and Eve, is allegory.
  FACT: Jesus' genealogy right back to Adam was recorded by the Gospel writer Luke. (Luke 3:23-28) If Genesis were myth, then where in the genealogy would the real names end and the so-called legendary ones begin? Jesus, who existed in heaven before coming to earth, believed what was written in Genesis, including the account of Adam and Eve. (Matthew 19:4-6) Thus, to question Genesis is to undermine the credibility of Jesus himself, as well as that of many Bible writers. -- 1Chronicles 1:1; 1Corinthians 15:22; Jude 14."
  
  Translation: If Genesis were myth it would cast doubt on the trustworthiness of the scriptures and the story of Jesus. The scriptures are trustworthy because Jesus believed Genesis is not a myth.
  
  Couldn't you just scream?
  
  Genesis says that a single man was created in 4026 BC, shortly afterwards he had one of his ribs removed and grown into a woman who listened to a talking snake and ate a piece of fruit that angered god so much he kicked them out of paradise and put a giant spinning flaming sword (he had to explain to Adam what a sword was, since they hadn't been invented yet) in front of the entrance to the garden. Around 2300 BC there was a massive flood that covered the entire earth and wiped out every living thing except for 8 people and two of every animal (except for when there were seven of every animal) and the receding floodwaters created all the existing geographical features of our planet, not to mention all our existing plant and animal diversity is the product of those flood survivors. Marsupials are the work of Satan to sow doubt in your heart.
  
  If you have even a passing interest in biology, geology, archeology, history or anthropology you would have just one comment:
  
  BULLSH*T!
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  A desperate time for JW as realisation inevitable dawns .....

  by Gill in

  1. watchtower
  2. bible

  in time, slowly and inevitably, a lot of jws will realise that they have been conned.

  they may deny it at first but eventually a substantial amount will discover that they have lost their lives, their talents and their potential to of all things, a book publishing company!.

  so, what will their reactions be?

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  marmot

  Truth is, not many.
  
  People are just comfortable with their routines and anytime there's doubt they'll just say "where else would we go?" You could make an announcement from the platform that armageddon won't be around for at least another 600 years and they'd all swallow it down without nary a peep with reasoning like "It's been almost 2000 years that "the end" has been nigh so what's a few hundred more?"
  
  You can make them believe and do anything because they're captive.
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  Were any gadgets/new technology condemned in your congregation?

  by badboy in

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  2. friends

  any takers?

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  marmot

  Believe it or not, there are still some who are hardcore against the use of aluminum cookware.
  
  You know those stereotypically hilarious crackpot articles from the Golden Age magazine back in the 30s? I guess some of that fear percolated through a generation or two and still survives among a select few in my congregation.
  
  One of my friends who just got married had a wife who was adamant that Microwaves give you cancer.
  
  I'm an avid shooting sports enthusiast (archery, airguns, powderburning guns) and I had to keep that a secret. On time I got caught on a camping outing teaching RESPONSIBLE gun handling and target shooting to a younger teen in the congregation using a little .177 pellet gun and I got a massive verbal drubbing for it. Even archery is considered a "martial" sport so I had to keep my bow under wraps too.
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  "God Hates F@gs"? No, he REALLY hates...

  by AlmostAtheist in

  1. jw
  2. friends

  ... people that picket servicemen's funerals!

  "a grieving father won a nearly $11 million verdict wednesday against a fundamentalist kansas church that pickets military funerals in the belief that the war in iraq is a punishment for the nation's tolerance of homosexuality.

  http://www.cnn.com/2007/us/law/10/31/funeral.protests.ap/index.html.

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  Look up the seven-part BBC documentary on YouTube about these psycho clowns. I think the full thing has been taken down, but here's a preview:
  
  http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=O228AQRvcqQ
  
  Makes the Jehovah's Witnesses look like Mother Theresa on ecstasy and valium.
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  Quote From This Weeks Revelation Climax Study-Any Comments?

  by Justitia Themis in

  1. watchtower
  2. beliefs

  thelittlescrolltoday.

  18 what john sees foreshadows remarkably the experience of the john class at the beginning of the lords day.

  their understanding of jehovahs purposes, including the implication of the seven thunders, was then incomplete.

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  I don't even bother anymore. Trying to comprehend the Climax book is less fulfilling than slamming your head repeatedly against a concrete wall.
  
  I mean come on, WHAT scroll were they given in 1919? Nobody seems to have realized for the better part of the century that this had happened. Arrrrgh!
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  Dog Owners -- Help!

  by Inkie in

  1. jw
  2. friends

  we have a four and a half month old chihuahua--the cutest little male dog.

  in the short while that we have had him, my wife and i have fallen very much in love with him.

  i haven't had a dog since i was a young lad of about 9 or 10 (i'm way older now) so i've long since forgotten how male dogs behave.

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  Look up "the dog whisperer", he's got tons of information in his books and TV shows about reinforcing correct behavior in dogs.
  
  Your little stud needs to learn that he's not the alpha male, and only the alpha male is supposed to "mate" (not suggesting anything improper between you and your kids, but that's the way the dog sees it).
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  Can you say SATAN?!?!

  by Uzzah in

  1. watchtower
  2. beliefs

  what is your stance on the devil, satan, demons etc?

  personally i find the concept of the devil as presented in scripture to be purely symbolic of humankind's ability to chose to do good or evil.

  the development of a moral compass unique to each person.. with many ancient beliefs, people tried to humanize concepts in order to better understand.

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  Satan is a cop-out for people who don't want to take responsibility for their own actions.
  
  Seriously, "the devil made me do it" is now a cliché but that is in effect what people are saying when they define "evil" as the result of Satan's influence on the world. The sad part about all this is that it's a part of human nature.
  
  Here's an excerpt from Dr. Stanley Milgram's report following his infamous electroshock behavior experiments from the 60s:
  
  "Ordinary people, simply doing their jobs, and without any particular hostility on their part, can become agents in a terrible destructive process. Moreover, even when the destructive effects of their work become patently clear, and they are asked to carry out actions incompatible with fundamental standards of morality, relatively few people have the resources needed to resist authority."
  
  Well whaddya know! Having an "independent spirit" is actually a GOOD thing. It seems pretty clear that the easiest path towards "evil" is to be a conformist sheep.
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  Simple answers to complicated situations

  by JH in

  1. jw
  2. friends

  the jw's always seem to have a simple answer to any problem.. give examples of how jw's would answer a specific problem.

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  marmot

  Unemployed? Trust in Jehovah.
  
  Depressed? Trust in Jehovah.
  
  Have doubts? Trust in Jehovah.
  
  Might die for lack of a blood transfusion? Trust in Jehovah.
  
  Feel anguished for shunning your disfellowshipped family member? Trust in Jehovah.
  
  Have a yeast infection? Trust in Jehovah.
  
  If two trains depart from Denver to New York at 9am and one train is travelling at 100mph the other at 80mph, in which state will each dining car serve dinner? Trust in Jehovah.
  
  See? Three words that can answer ANYTHING!
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  Babylon the Great, is it religion or not?

  by avidbiblereader in

  1. jw
  2. friends

  in a recent thread about could the wts be right about religion coming to their end, i find this thought very interesting, is babylon the great really the world empire of religion or is it something else, not saying i am right but would love your thoughts on it.. .

  i am not saying that i am right, but i have been reading rev and especially 17-19 over and over again doing research with cross references with various bible translations, i actually want to do a small paper on it for my own.

  i really think this is one that the wts has wrong again, in reading and praying and researching, it could be that babylon the great is not religion but rather the entire commerical or commerce of the world in which the political leaders throughout history have had immoral relations with and religion (which many agree, has become big business) is just a part of.. in looking at rev 17-19 take a slow look at yourself, get out of wt mindset and actually look at the scriptures and ponder with cross references, you wont get religion as babylon the great, read the context and ask yourself, .

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  marmot

  I'm siding with Thomas Jefferson on this one:
  
  "It is between fifty and sixty years since I read it [the Book of Revelation], and I then considered it merely the ravings of a maniac, no more worthy nor capable of explanation than the incoherencies of our own nightly dreams." -- Thomas Jefferson, letter to General Alexander Smyth, January 17, 1825
  
  You can make the Bible say whatever the heck you want, and an examination of history shows that it has been used countless times to do just that.