Posts by garybuss

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Snoopin' Elders! Has this happened to you?

by Alligator Wisdom in

have any of you known or heard of elders snooping and rummaging thru yours or anyone else's personal belongings?

perhaps to find "evidence"?

well.....this just happened to me!

garybuss

Hey Alligator,

I wonder if your problem is not with the elders but with your wife. Elders are paid snoops. That is their job.

If I found out my wife was riding around with elders in my car and then gave them access to it unsupervised, I would be very upset with her.

Even a casino won't let me sit at a blackjack table for long if I am not playing.

When the elders and other JWs tried to tell my wife and my sons that I was bad association, I declared war on them. I summoned them to meet with me and with other former Witnesses in a public forum. I told my story on the front page of the local daily newspaper. I sat with the Pay Attention book on my lap during an interview on local television. I ran newspaper ads and wrote my experiences and sent those to all who asked.

I confronted the evil of the Watch Tower Corporation head on and publicly and I am still doing so.

If you are willing to give the JWs access to your wife and to your car, I can't see how you can be surprised when they worm their way through your belongings. I hope you someday get the courage to stand up and confront the evil and the lies. Fear and frustration vanished for me when I saw them running from me. They are chicken house weasels and they only prey on the weak and the vulnerable. They fear the strong armed with facts and willing to go public.

Once I feared their shunning, but it has been a gift and I only hope it continues. Once I made the decision to confront them, my wife had to make the decision to go with them and be my enemy or to stay with me. If she would rather be my enemy, I didn't want her. I wanted to know. My parents, my brother, my Witness sons and relatives are a real disappointment to me. I am ashamed of them. I am ashamed to be related to them. They and not welcome in my home OR in my car. They choose, with full knowledge, to support a book publishing corporation masquerading as a religion that abuses people and divides families.

I am proud to stand with the visible victims.

Gary Busselman

The Way I See it http://www.freeminds.org/buss/buss.htm

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Governing Body looking for work

by Iwasyoungonce in

jw
friends

if the governing body of jehovah witnesses suddenly found themselves out of the power seat that they currently refuse to vacate what do you think might be a fitting job for them to fill?.

i vote for the gb to start making fortune cookie predictions.

finally they could put some of that self appointed spiritual powers to some worth while means.

garybuss

Sausage stuffer.

gb

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I suspect this will sound wierd

by buckthesystem in

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friends

i have been reading about the witnesses for some time - but the information i read is always massively biased against.

it is even hard to tell if this web site is exclusively designed for aggrieved ex-witnesses.

i am at a loss here.

garybuss

Cult!

I am a COW. Child Of Witnesses. 58 years old. Left in 1974/75.

gb

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I always disagreed with ....

by fulano in

disfellowshipping on smoking.. especially smoking a cigar from time to time does not have to be harmfull.

but i personally have disfellowshipped persons for smoking sigarettes, although i never saw a good biblical base.i mean ..how many filthy fat friends did we have, addicted to sugar, carbs, and you just knew they were going to have health-problems sooner or later.

now i smoke cigars, maybe one good cuban a day, and i am slim, active and can run 10 miles without any problems.. who had the same doubts about this dogma?

garybuss

fulano, you wrote:

There is even a picture that shows Rutherford smoking..I don not have it digital though.

Do you have a copy of it? Where can I gat a copy of it? Can you scan it?

Thanks,

gb

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I always disagreed with ....

by fulano in

disfellowshipping on smoking.. especially smoking a cigar from time to time does not have to be harmfull.

but i personally have disfellowshipped persons for smoking sigarettes, although i never saw a good biblical base.i mean ..how many filthy fat friends did we have, addicted to sugar, carbs, and you just knew they were going to have health-problems sooner or later.

now i smoke cigars, maybe one good cuban a day, and i am slim, active and can run 10 miles without any problems.. who had the same doubts about this dogma?

garybuss

Larc wrote:

After all, Rutherford smoked cigars.

Larc, how do you know this? Do you have any proof? Could you share it?

gb

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Most left it - Right Date / Wrong Event

by garybuss in

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friends

http://www.adventist.org/history/

between 1831 and 1844, william miller--a baptist preacher and former army captain in the war of 1812--launched the "great second advent awakening" which eventually spread throughout most of the christian world.

based on his study of the prophecy of daniel 8:14, miller calculated that jesus would return to earth sometime between 1843 and 1844. others within the movement calculated a specific date of october 22, 1844. when jesus did not appear, miller's followers experienced what became to be called "the great disappointment.

garybuss

Hi shera, Golden Girl, Wednesday,

The strategy of assigning a different meaning to a failed to happen date was done by the Second Adventist group 8 decades before Rutherford copied the tactic.

Rutherford also copied the closed door doctrine from them. Without the Second Adventists, there would be no Jehovah's Witnesses.

If they had to practice a version of Christianity, I would MUCH rather my children were Second Adventists members than Jehovah's Witnesses (If they could not be Catholic).

gb

The Way I See it http://www.freeminds.org/buss/buss.htm

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Most left it - Right Date / Wrong Event

by garybuss in

jw
friends

http://www.adventist.org/history/

between 1831 and 1844, william miller--a baptist preacher and former army captain in the war of 1812--launched the "great second advent awakening" which eventually spread throughout most of the christian world.

based on his study of the prophecy of daniel 8:14, miller calculated that jesus would return to earth sometime between 1843 and 1844. others within the movement calculated a specific date of october 22, 1844. when jesus did not appear, miller's followers experienced what became to be called "the great disappointment.

garybuss

http://www.adventist.org/history/

Between 1831 and 1844, William Miller--a Baptist preacher and former army captain in the War of 1812--launched the "great second advent awakening" which eventually spread throughout most of the Christian world. Based on his study of the prophecy of Daniel 8:14, Miller calculated that Jesus would return to earth sometime between 1843 and 1844. Others within the movement calculated a specific date of October 22, 1844. When Jesus did not appear, Miller's followers experienced what became to be called "the great Disappointment."

Most of the thousands who had joined the movement, left it, in deep disillusionment. A few, however, went back to their Bibles to find why they had been disappointed. Soon they concluded that the October 22 date had indeed been correct. They became convinced that the Bible prophecy predicted not that Jesus would return to earth in 1844, but that He would begin at that time a special ministry in heaven for His followers. They still looked for Jesus to come soon, however, as do Seventh-day Adventists yet today.

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Anyone see anything familiar?

gb

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"Or maybe it isn't coming"

by RR in

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i'm "cleaning house" got a lot of stuff that's just needs to go!

but i came across this newspaper clipping: .

or maybe it isn't coming.

garybuss

We had the right date but the wrong event. Check back in 30 years or so and we'll tell you what the right event was.

Or like Marion and the Seekers did. God spared the world because of the faith of the believers. Powerful stuff!

Or maybe there was a space ship behind the comet. Maybe it was invisible. . . . like god's kingdom . . . kinda.

gb

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Physicians offer new solution for blood transfusio

by betweenworlds in

garybuss

New years 1971, Delores was in her last stage fight against leukemia. Earlier the doctors had begged her to take chemo treatment and blood medical support she refused and when the doctors called me at my job and tried to reason with me, to ask me to influence her to let them treat her, I refused as well. They said a bone marrow transplant offered her a 50% chance at recovery.

On the sofa in our home she lay dying. Her hemoglobin was dropping and she was gasping for air, her heart was racing. Finally she looked up to me and said, "Help me breathe". I called the ambulance. The attendants gave her oxygen and took her to the hospital. It was a cold night. The snow crunched beneath the tires. I followed her to the hospital in my car, for what I knew would be the last time.

That weekend her father and stepmother, her sister and her husband, and her brother and his wife all came to visit. A month earlier I had asked them all to help us, to come and stay with her at home a few hours a day so I could go to work, we were totally out of money, they all said no. They were all pioneering and had to get in their hours.

In the hospital she fought for two weeks. She was in terrible pain from the lack of oxygen. Her biggest pain was her teeth. She wanted to experience every available minute of life so she refused pain killers. I stayed by her side. It was a terrible thing. I had no idea a human could endure so much pain and live. January 12, she died. It was a Tuesday.

She is buried up the road on a hill. I pass by every day on the road to town. A few years ago the Jehovah's Witnesses built a new Kingdom Hall across the road from the cemetery. A beautiful new brick building with a parsonage attached, a paved parking lot and manicured shrubs on a green lawn, all built in 3 days, even made the papers.

gb

The Way I See it http://www.freeminds.org/buss/buss.htm

Edited by - garybuss on 13 November 2002 8:33:5

Edited by - garybuss on 13 November 2002 8:33:49

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Any new halls?

by JH in

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when i joined the org.

in 1988, every once in a while new halls were being built here and there.

i couldn't pass a month without hearing that a new hall was being built.

garybuss

The Watch Tower Publishing Corporation diversified from strictly publishing and the collection of donations and wills to real estate and construction years ago. Headquarters discovered it was a small step after inducing people to engage in unpaid religious literature distribution to show them the way of engaging in unpaid construction and remodeling of Corporation controlled buildings.

Many Witnesses I am aware of preferred the construction aspect of Organization service to the proselytizing and fundraising. The workers went into the unpaid construction services with enthusiasm and the construction became what circuit assemblies once were, social with food and a common purpose and a feeling of accomplishment. Either way the Corporation benefits.

gb

The Way I See it http://www.freeminds.org/buss/buss.htm