Mary. I haven't seen that they have tied the latest "generation" speculations to 1914. They probably painted themselves into another corner. Good catch! If the "generation" started with the Apostles, the "last days" would have had to start then too. If the last days didn't start with the generation, then they are not related. :-)
As you see, if the generation started in 33AD, then the last days couldn't have started in 1914. It's just too big of a leap. It'd be like saying Jesse James jumped the Grand Canyon. It's just unbelievable. With every doctrinal change the Society makes, their story unravels more. Now every doctrine stands alone and is a dead end. Nothing's connected, and the more they write, the more it reads like there's no Armageddon in anybody's lifetime.
If the Society doesn't behave like they believe their own writings, the Witness people won't act like they believe it either. The 7 year Wallkill building plan isn't helping instill a feeling of doom and gloom in the Witness people. Knorr's policy was "Say we believe it and act like we don't." The problem is, the Society isn't allowing the same responsible behaviors to the Witness people when they discourage education, rational careers, and retirement savings. More than a few of the Witness people in my area have noticed this and are ignoring Society directions.
The Witness people I know who have followed the Society's guidelines have done so to their own detriment. I personally know of area Witnesses going to other church helping hand funds for help paying rent and to buy necessities after the Witnesses refused to assist them. These stories are not making the Awake! magazine.
Now the Society has dead end sub doctrines inside established core doctrines, like the allowed blood fractions inside the no blood policy. One won't stand without the other and neither can be argued to conclusion. It's actually like the Society is TRYING to sabotage their own credibility.
Fred Franz had it all tied together. It was weird with the types, anti-types, 7 trumpets, and resolutions, but it tied together. Now, it's crazy and it diffuses.
Great thread! Keep it up! Good job!
garybuss
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YOU WANNA SEE SOMETHING FUNNY???
by Mary inok, i was working on my project about "new light" and i came across a very interesting statement that was made 24 years ago via the wt:.
december 1, 1984 watchtower:.
"....have apostates who claim that "the last days" began at pentecost and cover the entire christian era promoted christian alertness?
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Have u found friendships w/ worldy people be hard?
by blkblk13 inso, i'm embarking on slow fade and i think it's time for me to start making friends w/ some non-jdubs so that i'll have a support network once i decide to be completely out and everyone ive ever known abandons me.
ive always gotten along much better w/ wordly people than jdubs so i'll haveno problem securing friends but im concerned about being to keep them.. i want out of the org for various reasons but i must admit i still believe many of the teachings.
i just think the leadership and organization itself is corrupt.
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Have u found friendships w/ worldy people be hard?
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expenses -vs- donations............. the fall of the Watchtower empire
by DaCheech inas long as i've been here, i have preached that $$$$$ will be the only way for the wt to drop.. many agree on a small level, but think the wt has deep pockets.. they may have deep pockets, but i bet the investments they have have lost quite a bit since 2001.. my main calculation reguards the following hypothesis::::::.
magazine and literature consumption -vs- donations.
i know of 2 congregations, and let me post some figures:.
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The Watch Tower Society is a business and their issues of cash flow, missing members, and stale products are all symptoms of a management problem. Ask yourself if the Watch Tower Corporation were a division of Berkshire Hathaway, would Buffett say "Good job, boys!" and leave the current management in place? Or would heads roll?
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"Outing" yourself
by sooner7nc inthis question may be stupid, and if so, let the flaming begin.
has anyone ever used this website as the vehicle to "out" themselves from the wt?
would the mods allow this to happen, or would they quash the attempt as soon as it started.
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Yawn, scratch . . . stretch
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Hello to everyone!
by redredrose inbrand new here, haven't even picked out avatar yet.
but i feel the need to reach out and touch someone (smile).
my situation is a little confusing to me, i am definitely on the way out and have been fading for quite some time, however my decision to leave has just been made very recently.
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Welcome! I was a believing walkaway for 18 years. I read Crisis of Conscience and after that I was just a walkaway. I have enjoyed being shunned and snubbed by many Witnesses since 1992. I can't think of a better bunch to be shunned by.
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For conscientious cussedness on the grand scale, no other aggregation of Americans is a match for Jehovah?s Witnesses. Stanley High, The Saturday Evening Post, September 14, 1940 The Way I See it http://www.freeminds.org/buss/buss.htm
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nevr realized 1914 depends totally upon worldly historians...
by oompa in...and archaeologists.
saw awhile ago on a post about historically uncovered evidence of times and kingdoms past...and it was mentioned there are no dates in the bible.
ok, i'm little slow, but any interrupted date dub have depends on these bonediggers a lot.
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Everything the Society writes comes from "worldly" sources. I even heard the Society has a special card so they can get worldly information directly from the United Nations to print in the Watchtower magazine.
Check out my article "New Light from Old Books and Dead Opposers"on Freeminds.In support of their recent Biblical interpretation change concerning "this generation" (Matt. 24:34), the Governing Body (hereafter GB) of Jehovah's Witnesses submitted four documents. (Watchtower, 11/1/95, p. 12)
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1. Walter Bauer's Greek-English Lexicon of the New Testament.
2. W.E. Vine's Expository Dictionary of New Testament Words.
3. J.H. Thayer's Greek-English Lexicon of the New Testament.
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food shortages
by chicken little inany of you been told by the jws that the current food crisis is fulfillment of the revelation prophecy of the horsemen?
they are really talking about it now and how a days wage is worth nothing.
you heard similar things?.
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Food shortage is a myth. You think if you had enough money anywhere on the planet that you couldn't get enough to eat? There's a money shortage. Find that in the Bible.
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1924 Memoirs of Aunt Sarah--PDF!
by Atlantis in1924 memoirs of aunt sarah!--pdf bm=bookmarked s=searchable r=reduced from 32-mb to 6-mb by minna edgar 1924 great pyramid passages volume i john and morton edgar, revised edition, published in hardbound and paperback 1924 great pyramid passages volume ii john and morton edgar, revised edition, published in hardbound and paperback circa 1924 memoirs of aunt sara minna edgar http://www.freeminds.org/sales/wtpubs.htm#bbo click the download link by the red arrow at the bottom of the next page.
http://www.sendspace.com/file/534isn cheers!
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Interesting find! Thanks!
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god's organization...
by kzjw inis that term blaphemy, or is it idolotry?
if i'm an ubm, but know that "though shall have no other gods before me" i am spiritually wndangering myself?
my mate tries to defuse this debate by saying the organization exists in the form of angels, but were she to spew that bs to an elder, i'm sure she'd get some serious counselling.
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How is "God's organization" differentiated from "God's kingdom"? And how are the two objectively defined?
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1977 Life Does Have a Purpose!--PDF!
by Atlantis in1977 life does have a purpose!--pdf bm=bookmarked s=searchable r-reduced from 77-mb to 24-mb what does the front cover of this book look like?
click here: http://www.imagger.com/view/82912_scan-40001.jpg.html scroll down here: http://www.bible.ca/jw-changes.htm the 27 new testament books not applicable to the average jw!
weren't the 144,000 vacancies filled in the first century?
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Nice! Thanks!