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  BIGGEST SCANDAL OF ALL!!!!!!!!!!!

  by IreallydidwalkoutofaKH in

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  i really believe this is one of the huge scandals of the wtbts.

  to start, i just posted on the friends topic, a thread on the 07 circuit assembly.

  i received replys that made me think of how if children could not be bapticed, how that alone could have blunted some of the disfunction in our lives.

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  garybuss

  You wrote: "Do you think that it may be that most people understanding what you just explained may try to just sue the Judicial Commity itself."
  
  I'm not sure. I'm not aware of a successful suit against the Society on the shunning issue. If there is a successful case, it sure hasn't affected the shunning policy.
  
  Rather than sue the judicial committee, I'd send them a thank you card.
  
  All my issues relating to Witness shunning and snubbing has to do with regional Witness acquaintances and Witness relatives. I don't have any problems with the Watch Tower Corporations, or with the Kingdom Hall businesses. Those are immaterial and inconsequential to me. All my complaints have been with the Witness people who have disrespected me and my family.
  
  I wouldn't sue any of them. Every day I can stay out of court is a good day. I don't really like paying attorneys for no good reason. In the first place, I'm glad the Witnesses shun me. I wouldn't want them to stop that. Witnesses shunning me is the best thing they ever did for me and my family.
  
  Good thread! Keep up the good job!
  
  
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  What should I do at elders meeting with me?

  by BonaFide in

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  i am serving in an appointed position.

  if you read my previous posts you will see.

  an old girlfriend is accusing me of "grinding" which is porneia according to the society, and a disfellowshipping offense.

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  garybuss

  I'd reverse the charges on the young lady. I'd tell the elders we both lied. I screwed her, my dog screwed her, then my cat screwed her, then we were transported into a UFO and taken to Mars where all the Martians screwed her. Tell em you have the pictures to prove it.
  
  Of course when you go to get the pictures you don't go back . . . ever. Two problems solved. The bitch is gone and taught a lesson and the elders are gone too. :-)
  
  
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  Financial planning now that the world isn't ending?

  by JimmyPage in

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  2. friends

  well since the world was always going to come to an end i never really studied much finance.

  anyone have any good advice on getting started?

  any good books that help?

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  garybuss

  1. Dave Ramsey will supply all the don't do's and many of the do do's. Listen to him. Study him.
  
  2. Find a guy that has what you want and do what he did exactly.
  
  That's it. Don't do the don't do's, do do the do do's. When you have that down pat, do lots more do do's.
  
  
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  Where was the joy they kept taling about

  by heybaby in

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  2. experiences

  ok, so i have been thinking about my time as a jw (i'm fading out - read my other posts for background info).

  you know how you always hear how the ministry will bring so much joy and contentment, yadda yadda yadda?

  i always hated service...always!!

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  garybuss

  The joy is at Bethel when the donation checks clear.
  
  
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  BIGGEST SCANDAL OF ALL!!!!!!!!!!!

  by IreallydidwalkoutofaKH in

  1. watchtower
  2. scandals

  i really believe this is one of the huge scandals of the wtbts.

  to start, i just posted on the friends topic, a thread on the 07 circuit assembly.

  i received replys that made me think of how if children could not be bapticed, how that alone could have blunted some of the disfunction in our lives.

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  garybuss

  You wrote: "Would you agree that if a child was bapticed at 15 in California and then Disfellowshiped at the age of 17 that would be illegal or void."
  
  I don't know about California. Here in South Dakota a religion may baptize, disfellowship, and shun at any age and it's legal. The religious business can't enforce a contract with a person under 18 years of age in court.
  
  First, remember the Watch Tower Corporation isn't doing any shunning. If you call them, they will talk to you. It's your friends and relatives who you're having the problems with, not the Watch Tower Corporation. I believe you will find the Witness people doing the shunning and snubbing will say that behavior is a "personal decision", and not connected to the Watch Tower Corporation.
  
  I have an older copy of the legal packet sent from Watch Tower Legal to those who threaten to sue the Watch Tower Corporation over the shunning policy and specifically shunning of children baptized as minors. Anybody who wants a new personal copy can get one easily by just writing a certified letter to Watch Tower Legal threatening to sue over the shunning issue.
  
  The Witnesses have some of the best attorneys in the country working for them and a billion bucks in the bank to hire any third party help they want. They don't just know about disfellowshipping laws, they wrote the applications of the laws and they own the court precedents to back up their policies. Bought and paid for with the nickles and dimes sent in by the kids they will someday shun.
  
  This isn't some back lot home made religion. It's a billion dollar big business, one of the big religion based business success stories in the country, and they'll either beat ya in court or they'll break ya. They just laugh at people who come after them about shunning. The Watch Tower Corporation keeps, or tries to keep, all dirty work at a third party level.
  
  You might enjoy taking some contract law classes. Life is full of contracts. It's a beneficial education and useful all through life.
  
  
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  I have always wondered about this....

  by Iwonder17 in

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  what happeded to all of the people between the time that jesus was on the earth until russell?.

  if the gb is god's only means of communication, then how did those people receive instruction during their time period?

  are they now all lost forever?.

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  That's always a problem for late entry exclusive religious groups . . . what to do with the people who lived before the promotions directed by the founding charismatic founder. That was no problem for Russell himself or for the Bible Students, but it is a problem for the modern leaders of the high control group the Rutherford directed corporation has turned into.
  
  The nice thing about religion per-se, is that no proof is required for claims made.
  
  
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  BIGGEST SCANDAL OF ALL!!!!!!!!!!!

  by IreallydidwalkoutofaKH in

  1. watchtower
  2. scandals

  i really believe this is one of the huge scandals of the wtbts.

  to start, i just posted on the friends topic, a thread on the 07 circuit assembly.

  i received replys that made me think of how if children could not be bapticed, how that alone could have blunted some of the disfunction in our lives.

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  garybuss

  Hi Ireallyetc,
  
  You wrote: "Let me present this though..... (1)what really is the contract. Saying yes at the baptism. If so (2) would a contract of any sort have to explain the terms of release. That the contract of any sort would have to say....either you can never leave..or you may be released if you discontinue by the age of 18, or what ever the legal age is."
  
  1. Contracts can be verbal or written. A contract by nature is an agreement. Proof of a verbal contract is realizing benefits resulting from the contract and compliance with the terms of the agreement. With the Witness baptism contract, the proof of the acceptance of the contract is not the baptism or the verbal agreement, but the accepting of "privileges" reserved for only baptized members, such as accepting an appointment. Once that's done, that's proof of the contract.
  
  2. Think about a marriage contract. Similar in many ways to the Witness baptism contract. A marriage contract does not require disclosures of any kind, it all legal, and it's all a verbal agreement except for one piece of paper at the court house saying there is an agreement. Two people can enter it but it takes a judge to end it.
  
  Witness baptism lacked disclosure for sure but that error is fixed with the new book released at the conventions this summer. With that book as a pre-baptism item to study, new converts will go in with a pretty good idea of the scope of their decision. The Witnesses are rare, in my experience, as a religion making an act of faith into a binding legal contract, but that's what they have done, and it's legal.
  
  Of course there is a good way to leave the Witnesses. Just walk away. I did it. Nobody stopped me. Of course there were some people who shunned me because of it, but they are not important to me and I'm better off without them all. Once they shun or snub me, their case file is closed.
  
  There's what? Like 7 billion people on the planet? Many, maybe most, of them I've met, are nice. I'm not gonna grieve over a handful of jerk Witnesses. This life is the real deal. This isn't a dressed rehearsal.
  
  
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  Is the Patterson Elder School Info. Public Knowledge?

  by neverendingjourney in

  1. jw
  2. experiences

  i might have had my first post-fade slip up.

  due to a temporary job, i've found myself back in my hometown the last few weeks.

  i was pumping gas this morning when i was approached by the presiding overseer of my old congregation (technically my current congregation since i never bothered to change my publisher card).

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  garybuss

  Any question an elder asks, just say "I agree with the Watchtower on that.". If they ask which Watchtower, just ask: "What, don't you read the Watchtower?".
  
  That usually stops them cold.
  
  If they push, just ask them why they are pushing you about reading the Watchtower. I go this way because I know they don't read the Watchtower and I push them till they admit it. I've had elders confess to me that they don't keep up with publications and beg for MY forgiveness. Talk about flipping a meeting:-)
  
  I go into any meeting prepared and aggressive. I try to stay away from Batman and Robin teams. One on one is better. I can do a team but it takes forever . . . like 3 hours. One on one only takes about one hour. Debating a Witness is like going into a duel against an unarmed man. They have no defenses, just tricks. I hand them their tricks back in pieces.
  
  I love to do the slow burn when I know they have women sitting out in the car. I start out with the goody goody stuff and they think they are working magic. They don't know my goal is to get their wives to pee their pants. Once I had a circuit servant's wife and an elder's wife sitting in the car out in my driveway for 3 hours.
  
  How could anyone not like dealing with the Witnesses? So much fun:-)
  
  
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  BIGGEST SCANDAL OF ALL!!!!!!!!!!!

  by IreallydidwalkoutofaKH in

  1. watchtower
  2. scandals

  i really believe this is one of the huge scandals of the wtbts.

  to start, i just posted on the friends topic, a thread on the 07 circuit assembly.

  i received replys that made me think of how if children could not be bapticed, how that alone could have blunted some of the disfunction in our lives.

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  garybuss

  Here in contract law 101 we learned that a minor (under 18) can sign a contract and it is binding on the other party if the second party is over age 18. It is not binding and can not be enforced on the under age 18 party.
  
  However when both parties are over age 18, the contract (if still in place) is binding and enforceable on both parties. So, if I comply with elements and duties in the contract and have not asked for the contract to be voided by age 18 and if I comply with elements and duties in the contract after age 18, I am deemed to have accepted the contract and I am obligated to comply with the terms and conditions in the contract.
  
  I'm not an attorney but I have taken contract law 101. South Dakota, United States.
  
  
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  Tried to fade away

  by Magwitch in

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  i left my chauvanistic po elder husband 2 1/2 years ago (after 20 years of marriage - ten of those spent pioneering as a couple).

  i took my two beautiful teenage daughters with me - he did not seem to care too much that we were gone.

  his main concern was the humiliation and aggravation of having to step down as an elder.

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  garybuss

  You wrote: "Twelve months after writing the letter and 2 1/2 years after totally disappearing from the Fauxtower Babble and Crap Society, I find out they read an announcement last month disfellowshipping me."
  
  Sounds like the ex met the love of his life.