February 4th, huh? At least now we know that Armageddon won't be before then! I think it will be 3 days about how to keep publishers from leaving after the talk, "Oops, we meant the 2014 generation, not 1914." 1 day about how great and special it is to be an elder and the final day will be the outline of what they tell the congregation they talked about for 5 days. Gotta bring some new light home!
Posts by Erace
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47week long elders training class for 08 confirmed
by isaacaustin inannounced at my parents service meeting last night
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BIG NEWS!
by deaconbluez ini have been approved to write the cover story for local newspaper about jehovah's witnesses.
it can't be any more than 2,500 words.
this newspaper has a huge reader-base.
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Erace
I think you should focus it in 2 different ways. First, scare the public with the crazy beliefs on education, blood, shunning, etc, but as we all know, ANY witness that reads about this will have their brain washed cranium kick in and discard all of that. I know all the programed answers, such as df'd is showing love, etc. The second part, I would focus on some of the unbelievable teachings that 99% of the witnesses have no idea about. I was a witness from birth to age 22ish and I wish so much that I would have read about pyramid measurements supporting their dates, God living on some star or knowing that Russel was either a mason or just really liked them a lot (does it really matter which?). If I would have known this, it would have made my 5 year transition that included so much fear and guilt so much easier. Also, the fact that when they REPRINT a book or magazine for a second time, they change it to the new understanding and/or lie about what they believed or taught in the first place! TODAY'S WITNESSES DO NOT KNOW THIS CRAP! Good luck!
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2008 District Convention Theme
by R.F. inokay, so it should be very soon when the theme for the 2008 convention will be made public.
what do you think the them will be?
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The Sodomites will live again! (Again)
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Did you get a little pressured to get baptized young?
by outofthebox inwe saw an elder the other night trying to convince a couple of kids that they were ready to be unbaptized publishers.
and then he went and added that he was baptized very young and they should too.
so, these two kids were feeling the pressure.
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Oh yes! Somehow I held out until I was 15, but 13 was what my family was going for. When I brought that up after I got DF'd, I was reminded that I CONVINCED the elders I was ready and had a great understanding of what kind of commitment I was making. The good news...some of my family, I don't even miss!
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A summary of the last 10 years?
by Erace ini have been df'd for just over 10 years and really haven't thought much about the religion since, except for the fear dying in armageddon.
one of my family members has been bugging me the last year or so to come back and that is what started my research and why i found this sight.
of course, after doing about 15 minutes of research, i realized how crazy i was raised and how nobody that is a witness today has any idea of where this religion came from.
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I have been DF'd for just over 10 years and really haven't thought much about the religion since, except for the fear dying in Armageddon. One of my family members has been bugging me the last year or so to come back and that is what started my research and why I found this sight. Of course, after doing about 15 minutes of research, I realized how crazy I was raised and how NOBODY that is a witness today has any idea of where this religion came from. My questions are: I have heard about declining numbers of the Witnesses, cutbacks, change in beliefs, secret watchtowers, etc. Can someone just give me a review of what has happened in JUST the last 10 years? Numbers of Witnesses? Numbers of anointed partakers? Is that number really going up?! What have they changed in the last 10 years in beliefs? I know of the generation change, of course. Are there really "spies" among us that go to the meetings? Kinda sounds fun, maybe. Thanks!
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Erace
Your secret is safe with me, you don't really believe this crap do you?
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2008 District Convention Theme
by R.F. inokay, so it should be very soon when the theme for the 2008 convention will be made public.
what do you think the them will be?
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Recent Elvis Sightings....Has the Resurrection Begun?
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Well - the New Secret Watchtower should arrive pretty soon.....
by AK - Jeff ini hope someone opens a new secret watchtower website with all the pages scanned monthly.
wouldn't that be a hoot?
i forget nowadays - when should the dubs expect that january shipment?
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Erace
I can't wait for the call from my sister telling me that mom called and wanted her to pass on the news... "Tell him he needs to come back now so I can find out what is in the secret Watchtower, he knows it's the truth!" Maybe I'll tell her to just send me the free plastic Jehovah.
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Pyramid prediction of 1914 and Daniel's Dream
by Erace ini'm new here and i've been researching the 1914 prediction by russell using the measurements from the great pyramid.
i was born as a jehovah witness and after 20 years, i never heard about a pyramid measurement.
i never missed a meeting either!
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Wow, ask and you shall receive! Thanks to all of you. I have been reading since my original post. I got the answer to my question, plus about 200 other answers I hadn't thought of yet. Unreal! Creepy, actually. Yes, I did know it was Nebuchadnezzar's dream, it has just been a while. I was baptized when I was 15, disfellowshipped at 21. My entire family, both mom and dad's, are all witnesses except for one sister. I haven't been allowed to talk to any of them for 12 years. I can not believe how much I learned from the link that JWfacts left. I had no idea! Since there is nothing worse than researching different points of view, how would any witness ever learn of the true history? I would like to thank the elders for not reinstating me 12 years ago. I missed one meeting over a 13 month period and asked for reinstatement 4 times during that period. When they told me at the 13 month period that I needed a few more months, I gave up. I didn't give up because I thought it wasn't the truth, I still believed, I gave up because I thought they were being unfair. You would think I killed someone or robbed a bank or something. (Actually, I just met a nice girl and made a mistake. She wasn't the mistake. It was probably the fact that she was an elder's daughter, oops.) The fear was pounded into my head so deep, it took years before I thought it was even a possibility that all I had been taught might not be true. Anyway, thanks for all the great info. I have never had a better feeling about leaving this part of my life in the past. I wonder if I can go back to Washington and let them know that I am ready to take that baseball scholarship my parents told me I couldn't take. What a joke. I feel so sorry for all the kids being raised (brain washed) the way I was.
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Pyramid prediction of 1914 and Daniel's Dream
by Erace ini'm new here and i've been researching the 1914 prediction by russell using the measurements from the great pyramid.
i was born as a jehovah witness and after 20 years, i never heard about a pyramid measurement.
i never missed a meeting either!
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I'm new here and I've been researching the 1914 prediction by Russell using the measurements from the great pyramid. I was born as a Jehovah Witness and after 20 years, I never heard about a pyramid measurement. I never missed a meeting either! My mother was/is a regular pioneer and my grandfather was a district overseer. My question: Does anyone know when Daniel's dream explaining the "time and times", 607 BCE plus 2520 years turns into 1914 was first introduced to the Jehovah Witness religion? Since Russell died in 1916, and he was teaching the pyramid measurements pointed toward 1914 as the end of this system, I assume it was after 1916? Does anyone know who came up with that or did it just show up in the Watchtower sometime? If anyone knows when or where to find this change, can you let me know? From what I have studied, I'm assuming that Russell's pyramid prediction came before the current belief of 607 BCE plus 2520 year to equal 1914 in Daniel's dream. Is this correct? Thanks.