I want to thank the people involved in this site and the people on here in general as you have all been a great support for me.I think the internet has actually saved my life because i probably would have remained in the watchtower forever without having all this extra information to look into on here and the net in general.Well i have now started to pass the point of no return mentally.Through information and considering the way watchtower really works.Also i have spoke to my mom about me leaving and how i feel and she has give me some support.I feel the watchtower had put a divide between me and my non witness family that has now started to return.Its seems to me like the tower severs that parent/ emotional tie and takes its place.Im feeling better in my self and although i dont have all the answers am looking foward to moving on for good.Im starting to see that the watchtowers happiness is anything but.Ive thought for quite a while in fact its anti life. jacethespace. ps , anyone want to act out the fall of babylon in a play but replace it with the watchtower headquarters [ thats my anger coming out now].
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point of no return
by jacethespace ini want to thank the people involved in this site and the people on here in general as you have all been a great support for me.i think the internet has actually saved my life because i probably would have remained in the watchtower forever without having all this extra information to look into on here and the net in general.well i have now started to pass the point of no return mentally.through information and considering the way watchtower really works.also i have spoke to my mom about me leaving and how i feel and she has give me some support.i feel the watchtower had put a divide between me and my non witness family that has now started to return.its seems to me like the tower severs that parent/ emotional tie and takes its place.im feeling better in my self and although i dont have all the answers am looking foward to moving on for good.im starting to see that the watchtowers happiness is anything but.ive thought for quite a while in fact its anti life.
jacethespace.
ps , anyone want to act out the fall of babylon in a play but replace it with the watchtower headquarters [ thats my anger coming out now].
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Everyman a liar
by jacethespace injust like to share some scriptures with you, im not sure whether this would go in favour of the tower or against it.but be nice to have peoples thoughts on it.
romans ch3:3-12 [ king james version] ---- 3 for what if some did not believe?
shall their unbelief make the faith of god without effect?
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Just like to share some scriptures with you, im not sure whether this would go in favour of the tower or against it.But be nice to have peoples thoughts on it. Romans ch3:3-12 [ king james version] ---- 3 For what if some did not believe? shall their unbelief make the faith of god without effect? 4 God forbid,yes, let god be true, but every man a liar, as it is written, That thou might be justified in thy sayings, and might overcome when thou are judged. 5 But if our unrighteousness commend the righteousness of god, what shall we say? Is god unrighteous who takes vengeance? [ i speak as a man] 6 God forbid, for then how shall god judge the world? 7 For if the truth of god has abounded through my lie unto his glory, why yet am i also judged as a sinner ? 8 And not rather, [ as we be slanderously reported, and as some affirm that we say] let us do evil, that good may come? Whose damnation is just 9 What then? are we better than they? No in no wise for we have before proved both jews and gentiles, that they are all under sin 10 As it is written there is none righteous no not one 11 There is none that understands there is none that seeks after god 12 They are all gone out of the way, they are together become unprofitable there is none that does good no not one. Intresting that i never read much about this in the watchtower mags.
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What was WTBTS giving as counsel to parents with disabled children in 60's?
by sf inmy search and re-search is to know this issue fully and gain all insight as to what parents of disabled children were being told when it came to any further treatment and/ or prognosis; surgery, therapy, medication and such.. i will, of course, look at wt official site to see what is there.
yet, i'm hoping i get everything i need, right here, with those that know what was being taught on this issue in the 60's and 70's up until now.. thank you.. skally.
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i dont really have an answer to your question but working as a support worker for disabled people i often have asked elders about salvation for people who are to disabled to learn the truth.The answer i got was that god will probably save them but he will judge those that deserve it.
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Do not put your trust in men [ except of course the governing body]
by jacethespace inhow often did we hear in the meetings, conventions,etc, the saying - do not put your trust in men but put your trust in god.anyone putting their trust in men are foolish but anyone putting their trust in god is wise.not once did anyone point out of course that in the watchtower its impossible to put your trust in god because in order to put your trust in god you have to first put your trust in the infallible, unquestionable governing body.i think that when we were told trust in jehovah, what they really meant was trust in the watchtower org and those untouchable 12 men at the top who interprets everthing.. of course if anyone had ever pointed that out we would have got that very spooky air of silence and then totally ignored like we wasnt there.
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How often did we hear in the meetings, conventions,etc, the saying - do not put your trust in men but put your trust in god.Anyone putting their trust in men are foolish but anyone putting their trust in god is wise.Not once did anyone point out of course that in the watchtower its impossible to put your trust in god because in order to put your trust in god you have to first put your trust in the infallible, unquestionable governing body.I think that when we were told trust in jehovah, what they really meant was trust in the watchtower org and those untouchable 12 men at the top who interprets everthing.
Of course if anyone had ever pointed that out we would have got that very spooky air of silence and then totally ignored like we wasnt there.
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Watchtower Secret Society....
by Sarah Smiles inhere is part of the posted watchtower on the wtbts .
secret groups in modern times have often been formed for quite honorable reasons, possibly for "social and benevolent purposes," according to the encyclopdia britannica, and "to carry out charitable and educational programs.
" some fraternal organizations, youth clubs, social clubs, and other groups are also secret, or at least semisecret.
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The thought that the tower prints literature which applies to itself is scary because check this out from there own official website - http://watchtower.org/e/20000622/article_02.htm its called- should you beleive everything you hear - the manipulation of information. spoooky.
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kingdom hall sound team
by jacethespace ini was one of the group of sound servers in the congregation to play kingdom hall tunes, flip mikes on,etc.record the meetings [ scary thought].half the time we had to replace the casette tapes as people never returned them after they lent them.well anyway a few times i often entertained thoughts that i would love to start the opening of a meeting with bon jovi- living on a prayer or some other rock song like that.oh what the hell i think i,ll return one more time and leave with a loud entrance.
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I was one of the group of sound servers in the congregation to play kingdom hall tunes, flip mikes on,etc.Record the meetings [ scary thought].Half the time we had to replace the casette tapes as people never returned them after they lent them.Well anyway a few times i often entertained thoughts that i would love to start the opening of a meeting with bon jovi- living on a prayer or some other rock song like that.Oh what the hell i think i,ll return one more time and leave with a loud entrance.
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Questions by JWs in 1976
by Doug Mason inin 1976, my friend bruce price was in contact with jehovahs witnesses who had become disillusioned through the debacle with 1975. bruce was the leading voice among the sda ministry in working for jws.
at the time, i was a member of the sda church.
although i left them about 25 years ago, to this day bruce and i enjoy a strong and genuinely warm friendship.. so, in 1976 bruce invited me to a meeting with one of the jws who was leading the disquiet in his congregation in dandenong (victoria, australia).
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thanks for that download, its a very intresting read.Does anyone know if the society outright announced that 1975 would be the end because looking at the watchtower program most just sugest it could happen.Although a watchtower from 15 october 1966 titled-rejocing over gods sons of liberty says under the heading -thrilling discourses :it did not take the brothers long to find the chart on page 31 showing 6000 years mans experience end in 1975.Discussion of 1975 overshadowed everything else.The new book compels us to realize that armaggedon is very close indeed ,said a conventioner.Surely it was one of the outstanding blessings to be carried home. Blessings: seems like the watchtowers blessings turned into a curse when everyone left in droves.
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Mind Warping
by Honesty indo you feel that the watchtower society is influencing the minds of jehovah's witnesses in a manner that brings glory to god?
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jacethespace
well once i started to get out i started to see that a lot of people in the tower was mistaking arrogance for the holy spirit.I think most of it comes from an inflated ego that believes your better than everyone else.I remember earlier this year meeting at home with an elder and another member for shepperding and to encourage me back the advice was " read the watchtower mags" "watch the videos".No encouragement to read the bible at all.In fact last time i was at a meeting in the book study at the end the elder turned to me and in conversation said " its not like years ago, they actually used to study the bible years ago, now we just have the magazines and books to follow".Funny enough i recently reminded the elder of his comment and its amazing, he couldnt remember saying it to me.
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exiting the watchtower
by jacethespace inhi im new to this forum and am currently trying to exite the watchtower.for the past 12 months or more i have stopped going on the ministry.in august last year i stopped going to the meetings but depression kicked in and other symptoms and i returned to the meetings in april.i stopped going to the meetings again in july and did more research to see if this is a cult.but im having all sorts of symptoms.confusion of whats right and wrong, panic attacks when i go out, one minute i hate the watchtower the next i wonder whether this is the truth and wonder if ive been mislead by satan.i dont know who to trust and where to go from here.and none of my family was ever in the watchtower so i think they know somethings going on but they can,t understand what im going through.ive been in the watchtower since 1999 off and on, i finally got baptized in 2005 after what i thought was carefull examination of the truth.and whats worse is the elder i studied with when i came into the " truth" lives right next door to me with his wife, which plays all sorts of guilt trips on me and paranoia.
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Thank you everyone who sent me messages here, this has helped me a lot.I have spoke to my nan about the watchtower, but ive been finding it difficult to say anything to my mom because ironically she was the one that opposed me doing this from the beginning and told me this was a cult and that they had predicted the end lots times.I always wondered whether i would be going to my mum saying " i told you so".Or whether id be going to her saying "heelllpp".Then again ive never had so much fun since walking away from the watchtower ive been out loads times with my brother,swimming,for a pint and other activities all the things i never had time for when i was sitting[ or should i say falling asleep] behind the watchtower walls.
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exiting the watchtower
by jacethespace inhi im new to this forum and am currently trying to exite the watchtower.for the past 12 months or more i have stopped going on the ministry.in august last year i stopped going to the meetings but depression kicked in and other symptoms and i returned to the meetings in april.i stopped going to the meetings again in july and did more research to see if this is a cult.but im having all sorts of symptoms.confusion of whats right and wrong, panic attacks when i go out, one minute i hate the watchtower the next i wonder whether this is the truth and wonder if ive been mislead by satan.i dont know who to trust and where to go from here.and none of my family was ever in the watchtower so i think they know somethings going on but they can,t understand what im going through.ive been in the watchtower since 1999 off and on, i finally got baptized in 2005 after what i thought was carefull examination of the truth.and whats worse is the elder i studied with when i came into the " truth" lives right next door to me with his wife, which plays all sorts of guilt trips on me and paranoia.
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Hi im new to this forum and am currently trying to exite the watchtower.For the past 12 months or more i have stopped going on the ministry.In august last year i stopped going to the meetings but depression kicked in and other symptoms and i returned to the meetings in april.I stopped going to the meetings again in july and did more research to see if this is a cult.But im having all sorts of symptoms.Confusion of whats right and wrong, panic attacks when i go out, one minute i hate the watchtower the next i wonder whether this is the truth and wonder if ive been mislead by satan.I dont know who to trust and where to go from here.And none of my family was ever in the watchtower so i think they know somethings going on but they can,t understand what im going through.Ive been in the watchtower since 1999 off and on, i finally got baptized in 2005 after what i thought was carefull examination of the truth.And whats worse is the elder i studied with when i came into the " truth" lives right next door to me with his wife, which plays all sorts of guilt trips on me and paranoia.