watch out for the pressure after a while and them saying " you know the truth now and you know what jehovah expects you to do you need to start attending the meetings".Cause thats what they did with me and i wish i had told them where to go and shove it.
jacethespace
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bible study...
by *summer* inhad weekly bible study today.
so confused.
ready to give up on everything...everything:-(
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millions now living will never die [ or did they]
by jacethespace ini just cant understand why the watchtower still holds to this convention from 1933, that millions now living will never die.my nan was born in 1925 and shes in her late 80s.so who was the watchtower refering to when they said that they would never die.it coudnt have been people who were middle aged back then or older.and i cant believe they were just talking to people between the ages of 7-20 or so either that wouldnt fit the " millions " hype.yet its still refered to today in meetings and in the revelation book as a very important event.
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jacethespace
I just cant understand why the watchtower still holds to this convention from 1933, that millions now living will never die.My nan was born in 1925 and shes in her late 80s.So who was the watchtower refering to when they said that they would never die.It coudnt have been people who were middle aged back then or older.And i cant believe they were just talking to people between the ages of 7-20 or so either that wouldnt fit the " millions " hype.Yet its still refered to today in meetings and in the revelation book as a very important event.
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When Elders Take Congregation Funds
by zack inhealth care/vehicle/ etc..... usaully there is no great discussion involved, the service department sets a quota and the elders' rubber stamp it.
they then form this.
into a "resolution" for the general congregation which they present at the service meeting.
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jacethespace
I was never comfortable with circuit overseers getting the money they did and then it being called voluntary donations.We was asked to raise our hands in a vote in our congregation to give the c.o £150 a week, voluntary of course [ mmm 150 x 4= 600 a month].Not bad for voluntary work.I began to think more about this after one week when it was announced " we decided to buy the circuit overseer a new car".The circuit overseer was literally worshipped in our congregation and the last one that we had, personally i hated him.
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point of no return
by jacethespace ini want to thank the people involved in this site and the people on here in general as you have all been a great support for me.i think the internet has actually saved my life because i probably would have remained in the watchtower forever without having all this extra information to look into on here and the net in general.well i have now started to pass the point of no return mentally.through information and considering the way watchtower really works.also i have spoke to my mom about me leaving and how i feel and she has give me some support.i feel the watchtower had put a divide between me and my non witness family that has now started to return.its seems to me like the tower severs that parent/ emotional tie and takes its place.im feeling better in my self and although i dont have all the answers am looking foward to moving on for good.im starting to see that the watchtowers happiness is anything but.ive thought for quite a while in fact its anti life.
jacethespace.
ps , anyone want to act out the fall of babylon in a play but replace it with the watchtower headquarters [ thats my anger coming out now].
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jacethespace
I want to thank the people involved in this site and the people on here in general as you have all been a great support for me.I think the internet has actually saved my life because i probably would have remained in the watchtower forever without having all this extra information to look into on here and the net in general.Well i have now started to pass the point of no return mentally.Through information and considering the way watchtower really works.Also i have spoke to my mom about me leaving and how i feel and she has give me some support.I feel the watchtower had put a divide between me and my non witness family that has now started to return.Its seems to me like the tower severs that parent/ emotional tie and takes its place.Im feeling better in my self and although i dont have all the answers am looking foward to moving on for good.Im starting to see that the watchtowers happiness is anything but.Ive thought for quite a while in fact its anti life. jacethespace. ps , anyone want to act out the fall of babylon in a play but replace it with the watchtower headquarters [ thats my anger coming out now].
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Everyman a liar
by jacethespace injust like to share some scriptures with you, im not sure whether this would go in favour of the tower or against it.but be nice to have peoples thoughts on it.
romans ch3:3-12 [ king james version] ---- 3 for what if some did not believe?
shall their unbelief make the faith of god without effect?
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Just like to share some scriptures with you, im not sure whether this would go in favour of the tower or against it.But be nice to have peoples thoughts on it. Romans ch3:3-12 [ king james version] ---- 3 For what if some did not believe? shall their unbelief make the faith of god without effect? 4 God forbid,yes, let god be true, but every man a liar, as it is written, That thou might be justified in thy sayings, and might overcome when thou are judged. 5 But if our unrighteousness commend the righteousness of god, what shall we say? Is god unrighteous who takes vengeance? [ i speak as a man] 6 God forbid, for then how shall god judge the world? 7 For if the truth of god has abounded through my lie unto his glory, why yet am i also judged as a sinner ? 8 And not rather, [ as we be slanderously reported, and as some affirm that we say] let us do evil, that good may come? Whose damnation is just 9 What then? are we better than they? No in no wise for we have before proved both jews and gentiles, that they are all under sin 10 As it is written there is none righteous no not one 11 There is none that understands there is none that seeks after god 12 They are all gone out of the way, they are together become unprofitable there is none that does good no not one. Intresting that i never read much about this in the watchtower mags.
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What was WTBTS giving as counsel to parents with disabled children in 60's?
by sf inmy search and re-search is to know this issue fully and gain all insight as to what parents of disabled children were being told when it came to any further treatment and/ or prognosis; surgery, therapy, medication and such.. i will, of course, look at wt official site to see what is there.
yet, i'm hoping i get everything i need, right here, with those that know what was being taught on this issue in the 60's and 70's up until now.. thank you.. skally.
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jacethespace
i dont really have an answer to your question but working as a support worker for disabled people i often have asked elders about salvation for people who are to disabled to learn the truth.The answer i got was that god will probably save them but he will judge those that deserve it.
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Do not put your trust in men [ except of course the governing body]
by jacethespace inhow often did we hear in the meetings, conventions,etc, the saying - do not put your trust in men but put your trust in god.anyone putting their trust in men are foolish but anyone putting their trust in god is wise.not once did anyone point out of course that in the watchtower its impossible to put your trust in god because in order to put your trust in god you have to first put your trust in the infallible, unquestionable governing body.i think that when we were told trust in jehovah, what they really meant was trust in the watchtower org and those untouchable 12 men at the top who interprets everthing.. of course if anyone had ever pointed that out we would have got that very spooky air of silence and then totally ignored like we wasnt there.
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jacethespace
How often did we hear in the meetings, conventions,etc, the saying - do not put your trust in men but put your trust in god.Anyone putting their trust in men are foolish but anyone putting their trust in god is wise.Not once did anyone point out of course that in the watchtower its impossible to put your trust in god because in order to put your trust in god you have to first put your trust in the infallible, unquestionable governing body.I think that when we were told trust in jehovah, what they really meant was trust in the watchtower org and those untouchable 12 men at the top who interprets everthing.
Of course if anyone had ever pointed that out we would have got that very spooky air of silence and then totally ignored like we wasnt there.
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Watchtower Secret Society....
by Sarah Smiles inhere is part of the posted watchtower on the wtbts .
secret groups in modern times have often been formed for quite honorable reasons, possibly for "social and benevolent purposes," according to the encyclopdia britannica, and "to carry out charitable and educational programs.
" some fraternal organizations, youth clubs, social clubs, and other groups are also secret, or at least semisecret.
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jacethespace
The thought that the tower prints literature which applies to itself is scary because check this out from there own official website - http://watchtower.org/e/20000622/article_02.htm its called- should you beleive everything you hear - the manipulation of information. spoooky.
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kingdom hall sound team
by jacethespace ini was one of the group of sound servers in the congregation to play kingdom hall tunes, flip mikes on,etc.record the meetings [ scary thought].half the time we had to replace the casette tapes as people never returned them after they lent them.well anyway a few times i often entertained thoughts that i would love to start the opening of a meeting with bon jovi- living on a prayer or some other rock song like that.oh what the hell i think i,ll return one more time and leave with a loud entrance.
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jacethespace
I was one of the group of sound servers in the congregation to play kingdom hall tunes, flip mikes on,etc.Record the meetings [ scary thought].Half the time we had to replace the casette tapes as people never returned them after they lent them.Well anyway a few times i often entertained thoughts that i would love to start the opening of a meeting with bon jovi- living on a prayer or some other rock song like that.Oh what the hell i think i,ll return one more time and leave with a loud entrance.
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Questions by JWs in 1976
by Doug Mason inin 1976, my friend bruce price was in contact with jehovahs witnesses who had become disillusioned through the debacle with 1975. bruce was the leading voice among the sda ministry in working for jws.
at the time, i was a member of the sda church.
although i left them about 25 years ago, to this day bruce and i enjoy a strong and genuinely warm friendship.. so, in 1976 bruce invited me to a meeting with one of the jws who was leading the disquiet in his congregation in dandenong (victoria, australia).
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jacethespace
thanks for that download, its a very intresting read.Does anyone know if the society outright announced that 1975 would be the end because looking at the watchtower program most just sugest it could happen.Although a watchtower from 15 october 1966 titled-rejocing over gods sons of liberty says under the heading -thrilling discourses :it did not take the brothers long to find the chart on page 31 showing 6000 years mans experience end in 1975.Discussion of 1975 overshadowed everything else.The new book compels us to realize that armaggedon is very close indeed ,said a conventioner.Surely it was one of the outstanding blessings to be carried home. Blessings: seems like the watchtowers blessings turned into a curse when everyone left in droves.