Posts by jacethespace

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Does anyone have any pictures?

by BEROEAN in

i've been searching all over for pictures of governing body members engaged in "unscriptural conduct" and i still haven't found any.

i thought that in this day and age with cell phone cameras and spy equipment, at least one person would have something grimey.

i want to see what really goes on after hours in the borg.

jacethespace

i got a few pics of taze russell looking daper from off the library of congress website but i want to keep these for target practice.

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jehovahs witnesses and the un relationship

by jacethespace in

for years i studied the awake and watchtower literature and at times wondered to myself why [ esp in the awake] do they keep quoting the un so much when they are saying the un is satans tool.i got more curious when i read an awake main article which was practically dedicated to the un, all about the uns projects,etc.then it all made sense when i discovered that the tower had had a realtionship of some sort with the un.when i spoke to the elders they seemed non the wiser but looked into it and came back with info saying it was just a library card for the info section.which i was suspicous of,especially when the elder told me this year that " the un thing is old news anyway so why bring that up".. does anyone have any further info on this or documents?

i had heard that american congregations had been sent letters from bethel explaining this, is that true?

because as far as i know british congregations didnt recieve any letters or anything about this.. jacethespace..

jacethespace

For years i studied the awake and watchtower literature and at times wondered to myself why [ esp in the awake] do they keep quoting the un so much when they are saying the un is satans tool.I got more curious when i read an awake main article which was practically dedicated to the un, all about the uns projects,etc.Then it all made sense when i discovered that the tower had had a realtionship of some sort with the un.When i spoke to the elders they seemed non the wiser but looked into it and came back with info saying it was just a library card for the info section.Which i was suspicous of,especially when the elder told me this year that " the un thing is old news anyway so why bring that up".

Does anyone have any further info on this or documents? I had heard that american congregations had been sent letters from bethel explaining this, is that true? because as far as i know british congregations didnt recieve any letters or anything about this.

jacethespace.

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Actually sat through a whole meeting for the first time in 6 months

by B_Deserter in

a brother from my old hall was giving the talk so my brother (who lives with me and has no idea how i feel) signed us up for hospitality.

i decided i should at least make an appearance to stave off the storm a little.

man, i can barely stand being there.

jacethespace

Me and my friend began regularly going outside during the second song half way through the meetings.We would just chill and chat.But the looks we would get when we went back in was like they thought the anti christ had landed or something.After a while before i left i wouldnt bother going back in.i just went home instead.

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are jws saving the sinners or the righteous today.

by jacethespace in

in matthew chapter 9 verses 10-13 it says- 10 and it came to pass as jesus sat at meat in the house, behold , many publicans and sinners came and sat down with him and his disciples.11 and when the pharisees saw it they said unto his disciples.why eat your master with publicans and sinners?12 but when jesus heard that he said unto them, they that be whole need not a physician but they that are sick.13 but go you and learn what that means, i will have mercy and not sacrifice, for i am not come to call the righteous, but sinners to repentance.. i noticed a few intresting points in this scripture, firstly jesus was associating with sinners and eating a meal with them.the pharisees were frowning on this in a similar way today the watchtower society has a similar attitude.if we were eating with such " worldly people imagine what sort of advice we would be given inside the watchtower walls, " bad association ".. the most intresting point i noticed though was that jesus said " i am not come to call the righteous but sinners to repentance.so jesus must have recognized that the world had righteous people, but he was concerned with teaching sinners the right way.today on the ministry jehovahs witnesses say they are gathering not the sinners but only the righteous " the right hearted ones.seems to me jesus had a more balanced attitude of the world than the watchtower does.

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jacethespace

In matthew chapter 9 verses 10-13 it says- 10 And it came to pass as jesus sat at meat in the house, behold , many publicans and sinners came and sat down with him and his disciples.11 And when the pharisees saw it they said unto his disciples.Why eat your master with publicans and sinners?12 But when jesus heard that he said unto them, they that be whole need not a physician but they that are sick.13 But go you and learn what that means, i will have mercy and not sacrifice, for i am not come to call the righteous, but sinners to repentance.

I noticed a few intresting points in this scripture, firstly jesus was associating with sinners and eating a meal with them.The pharisees were frowning on this in a similar way today the watchtower society has a similar attitude.If we were eating with such " worldly people imagine what sort of advice we would be given inside the watchtower walls, " bad association ".

The most intresting point i noticed though was that jesus said " i am not come to call the righteous but sinners to repentance.So jesus must have recognized that the world had righteous people, but he was concerned with teaching sinners the right way.Today on the ministry jehovahs witnesses say they are gathering not the sinners but only the righteous " the right hearted ones.Seems to me jesus had a more balanced attitude of the world than the watchtower does.

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Why can't Witlesses laugh at themselves?

by hamsterbait in

you all know the jokes jews love to tell about themselves.

books and books of them.. the jokes about catholic priests.. i am sure there are buddhist jokes too.

(anybody heard one?).

jacethespace

Often used to wonder this.When i was brought up at church you would get the jokes about jesus and heaven and everything.But when i switched to the watchtower i noticed there was no jokes aimed at religion.I noticed that most jokes centred on word play and double meanings, hmmmm cant imagine why that is.

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Question (s) from the newbie

by bite me in

go easy on me, please, as i am new to this board.

i have a question, i know chances are this has been answered in one form or another.

but can anyone tell me, exactly or roughly how much of the bible jw's actually use.

jacethespace

Hello bite me welcome.The watchtower does quite a good job at trying to interpret all the bible but i have noticed that they most often will use only certain scriptures over and over and over and.... well a lot.Other scriptures that are not so easily smoothed over, erm i mean interpreted they will not use much or tell you to wait on jehovah to get a better understanding.I always found the scripture where its mentioned about knowing a man who visited the third heaven was very poorly used and the interpretation was rather pathetic.

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Though shalt not question ze tower

by jacethespace in

well sometime ago when i was meeting at the kingdom hall i overheard someone whos been in the tower all his life say to someone " have you heard that the number of the annointed are going up and not down, people are saying they are of the annointed when they are not".well since, i have spoken to an elder about overhearing this and all i got back was " no this person wasnt questioning the watchtower, just pointing out a problem".so they know this is going on and they dont even question anything.its just so ridiculous for people who examine and scrutinze for study every word the wt puts out.

jacethespace

Well sometime ago when i was meeting at the kingdom hall i overheard someone whos been in the tower all his life say to someone " have you heard that the number of the annointed are going up and not down, people are saying they are of the annointed when they are not".Well since, i have spoken to an elder about overhearing this and all i got back was " no this person wasnt questioning the watchtower, just pointing out a problem".So they know this is going on and they dont even question anything.Its just so ridiculous for people who examine and scrutinze for study every word the wt puts out.

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Tipping your hat to a lady is demonic

by marmot in

...according to the watchtower.

i don't have access to the watchtower library right now (i've only got a mac) but i remember laughing my arse off when i read that in an old questions from readers.

apparently tipping your hat to a lady is considered demonic because it shows deference to the lesser of the sexes, a man putting himself below the woman and other rambling "reasoning" about its origins in medieval times and such garbage.

jacethespace

Never heard that one but when i first started attending meetings i wore a pair of silver color chino trousers, very smart.But i was told i couldnt wear them and had to conform to everyone else.After that i left my top button undone in meetings and was told to do this up.I often look back now and wonder what they would have done if i had told them to go and shove it.Whats wearing chinos got to do with salvation anyway.

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how our Kingdom Songs came about

by loosie in

so 29 songs were .

the songs also had .

song #15, "life without end -- at last" was composed for a gilead class .

jacethespace

Well as i was brought up in the church of england when i began to convert to the watchtower i noticed a lot of the tunes to the hymns had been taken from church, minus the words.

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Vatican publishes Knights Templar papers

by sf in

vatican publishes knights templar papers .

by frances d'emilio, associated press writerfri oct 12, 7:53 pm et .

it's not the holy grail, but for fans of "the da vinci code" and its tantalizing story line about the knights templar, it could be the next best thing.. ignored for centuries, documents about the heresy trial of the ancient christian order discovered in the vatican's secret archives are being published in a limited edition with an $8,377 price tag.. they include a 14th-century parchment showing that pope clement v initially absolved the templar leaders of heresy, though he did find them guilty of immorality and planned to reform the order, according to the vatican archives web site.. but pressured by king philip iv of france, clement later reversed his decision and suppressed the order in 1312.. only 799 copies of the 300-page volume, "processus contra templarios," latin for "trial against the templars" are for sale, said scrinium publishing house, which prints documents from the vatican's secret archives.

jacethespace

Go to the vatican website and do a search for freemasons then read pope leos talks from the late 1800s about the freemasons infiltrating government and hatching a sinister plan.