Posts by karter

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KINGDOM HALL IN SHANNON NEW ZEALAND LIES TIDY BUT EMPTY?!!

by steve2 in

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friends

there's a kingdom hall in shannon, a small rural town in manawatu, new zealand, 16 kms from the nearest town, foxton, and about 30 kms from palmerston north city (population around 80,000).

jws used to go on about how fast they were growing in new zealand that even a small town like shannon (population little more than 1,000) has its very own kingdom hall.

in the late 70s, the local jws worked hard to build a brand new kingdom hall and i was among the happy throngs when it was dedicated.

karter

Steve2.

During the late 80's and early 90's i worked on about 15 quick builds in the north island we could'nt build them fast enough.

Seems they are emptying out just as fast.

My sister & husband moved to Taumaranui they had 1 Elder a young guy who as soon as my Elder bro-in-law moved in he stood down.

I helped build the KH there and it seated 250 now they have 40 publishers at best and most of them older.

I worked on the south auckland assembly hall in the weekends.

There were 22 full time workers there after about 3 years of those 22,10 had fallen away.

Seems the WTS was over optomistic about future growth.

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CO begging for more MS's

by life is to short in

the co is at my husbands hall this week so i tied in to the meeting he was going on and on about how there are 140 elders in the circuit and only 80 something ms's.

of the elders 25 are over 75 years old.

of the ms's it was about 20 are over 75 years old.

karter

Lets face it atleast 60% of young ones are leaving the Jw's so the pool to pick from is getting smaller.

Of the 40% or less leaft how many of those are up for being appointed to anything?

I'm guessing not alot.

So they will just keep lowering the bar and age.

My last congro had a guy made an Elder who's mind was so scrambled by drugs his talks were all over the place..he and his wife were Brown noseing SSSSOOOO badly it made me sick.

He was delited after a few months thankfully.

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WT Society Has to be Forced by Courts to Reveal Hidden Child Abuses

by flipper in

in one of the new pieces of information in the new elders manual - section 5:18 - it shows how elders are instructed to keep all judicial committee information private from media or attorneys.

keeping in mind how secretive the wt society has been in hiding child abuse within the jehovah's witnesses notice these instructions to elders now.. it states, " if a member of the media or an attorney representing the accused ( or possibly victims ) contacts the elders , they should not give him any information about the case or verify there is a jc.

rather, they should give the following explanation, " the spiritual and physical welfare of jehovah's witnesses is of paramount concern to the elders, who have been appointed to " shepherd the flock ".

karter

Flipper,

I had an interesting conversation with an Elder in my old congro Re child molesters going from door to door.

There is a child molester in my old congro.

I told the elder that if i saw him regualy going to a persons house i would fell obliged to say something to the householder.

The elder said to me "he has had councling and taken steps to rite his wrong doing"

My reply "We know that and can make our own minds up about if we want him in our house or not....the person he is calling on dosen't know that...in effect you and the rest of the Elders have made the householders mind up for them"

He gave me the standard cureall....leave it in Jehovah's hands.

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You should be able to tell someone in the hall is a pedophile because they do not say prayers.

by life is to short in

jw
friends

i was talking with flipper on the phone the other day and i mentioned that the cobe formally the po told me that.

i have been told so many stupid things in this religion when it comes to pedophiles that i never truly thought about it before and i just said it to flipper in my conversation.

that is the stupidest thing i have heard.. so i thought i would do a thread about it.

karter

In my old congro there was an Elder who had had sex with his sister when she was 15!!!!!!

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Holy Spirit in Judicial Committees

by Mr. Falcon in

one of the most controversial practices of jehovah's witnesses is the operation of judicial committees.

these specially-assigned inquisitory boards are manned by at least 3 elders and interrogate, investigate and finally prosecute a person believed to be guilty of any number of offenses.

these offenses can be anything from heavy drinking, masturbation, swearing to infidelity, apostacy even issues of bloodguilt.

karter

Mr Falcon,

I forgot they can always use the other cureall.

"Leave in Jehovah's hands"

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Today is my 10th anniversary!

by JRK in

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friends

none of my three marriages lasted that long!

today is the tenth anniversary of my being disfellowshipped.

apparently i am much better at being disfellowshipped than being married.. i might end up getting married again someday, but i will definitely not return to the cult.. say amen!.

karter

JRK,

Congratulations what a coinsodince Mc Laren wone today as well!!!!

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Holy Spirit in Judicial Committees

by Mr. Falcon in

one of the most controversial practices of jehovah's witnesses is the operation of judicial committees.

these specially-assigned inquisitory boards are manned by at least 3 elders and interrogate, investigate and finally prosecute a person believed to be guilty of any number of offenses.

these offenses can be anything from heavy drinking, masturbation, swearing to infidelity, apostacy even issues of bloodguilt.

karter

MR Falcon.

The imperfect Man excuse covers all....nuff said.

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Holy Spirit in Judicial Committees

by Mr. Falcon in

one of the most controversial practices of jehovah's witnesses is the operation of judicial committees.

these specially-assigned inquisitory boards are manned by at least 3 elders and interrogate, investigate and finally prosecute a person believed to be guilty of any number of offenses.

these offenses can be anything from heavy drinking, masturbation, swearing to infidelity, apostacy even issues of bloodguilt.

karter

MR Falcon.

Yes the Elder had been haveing an affair for sometime at the time of the JC.

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Holy Spirit in Judicial Committees

by Mr. Falcon in

one of the most controversial practices of jehovah's witnesses is the operation of judicial committees.

these specially-assigned inquisitory boards are manned by at least 3 elders and interrogate, investigate and finally prosecute a person believed to be guilty of any number of offenses.

these offenses can be anything from heavy drinking, masturbation, swearing to infidelity, apostacy even issues of bloodguilt.

karter

My Brother was DF'ed and it turns out 1 of the Elders(married) on the JC was haveing an affair with another married sister.

So how can they possabley say the ''Holy spirit" was with them???

But they can always use the cureall ''Imperfect man" excuse.

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I'm scared sometimes that the WTBTS might be right about everything.

by Chemical Emotions in

i wake up thinking: what if my boyfriend and i die a terrifying death during armageddon?

with no hope of any life afterwards?.

do any of you ever feel that way?.

karter

If the WTBTS is so convinced they are rite about everything why don't they come on here and have an open debate?

Ive tryed debating with them they just walk away...not interested in anything they are not told to listen to.