and how did you learn the truth?
remember those questions?
remember how jws would always ask you that when they met you?.
Woke up in May of 1995 and began attending a UU church the following Father's Day -- 3 weeks later.
My son, on the other hand, woke up in '94, during a service meeting talk on the virtues of conformity. My daughter decided at the age of 8 -- in about 1991, I guess -- that "nothing this boring could possibly be true," but I didn't hear about her realization until 4 years later.
GentlyFeral
i just thought i would share this little gem that showed up in my e mail box.
it seems to be making the rounds of dubdom at the moment.. rats and rap music.
it took them 10 minutes to go through the maze, just as .
does that mean humans who listen to Rock music will get lost on their way to work and start eating each other?
...out...?
I should hope so; that's what paid vacation time is for.
Gently Feral
takin' next Monday off
reading through everyone's posts over the last few years.
broadly speaking, it seems that most of us left the jw's for 1 of 4 main reasons:.
1. anger.. 2. disappointment.
Irongland,
a higher calling, maybe a religious experience that affected them profoundly.People with such ideas about themselves are the source of much mischief in this world.
Well, yeah. But I had a "higher calling" myself -- not to be some tinfoil messiah or anything that chintzy. I was simply called to be honest, something I had not been for many years; and the self-deception crept in so slowly that I had not noticed it. Finally I realized, as I put it to myself, that "the true religion" was "making ME a liar!"
The hedonism came after -- a further response to the same call.
GentlyFeral
jehovah's witnesses say noah's flood happened c.2000bc.. interestingly a possible problem arises with the origins of the indo-european languagues b/c, which linguists have calcaluated(sp?
)2 have originated about 8,900 years ago using a cognate database,hittite being near the root of the ie family followed by tocharian ,greek and armenian.. there4 the ie languagues spread with agriculture in2 europe arriving in scotland 5500 years ago.. question?.
how will they explain this?
Have you also read Stephen Pinker?
No. But, oh joy! My local library has several of his books. The Language Instinct -- I've always believed there was such a thing! Looking forward to reading that!
Thanks again,
GentlyFeral
jehovah's witnesses say noah's flood happened c.2000bc.. interestingly a possible problem arises with the origins of the indo-european languagues b/c, which linguists have calcaluated(sp?
)2 have originated about 8,900 years ago using a cognate database,hittite being near the root of the ie family followed by tocharian ,greek and armenian.. there4 the ie languagues spread with agriculture in2 europe arriving in scotland 5500 years ago.. question?.
how will they explain this?
Leolaia,
You might be very interested in this book called The Ecology of Language Evolution by S. S. Mufwene which provides an evolutionary model of how languages change.
Thanks so much! I just picked up a copy at half.com, along with African-American English : Structure, History, and Usage, by the same author.
GentlyFeral
i've fought the blues all day, and now i've had all i kin stanz, i kin stanz no more!
so, this thread is my official pity party.
that's right, i want sympathy dammit!
first of all, czar, you're not much good at whining, either.
second, you're one of the hip posters on this board.
third, why is the dude with the spiky face offering me a christmas present that lights up?
gentlyferal
engaging in the xmas shopping rush is never boring when you've got shunners in the mall!.
will they just stare?
will they perhaps smile?
I've been shunned precisely once in the 8 years since I left. That's the only time I've run into JW's who knew me well enough to know they weren't supposed to talk to me.
GentlyFeral
i took an on-line test to see how disordered my personality really is.
oops!
it's obviously total rubbish.
The problem with this test is that at least some of the questions are loaded. For instance:
Do you have a hard time throwing things away, even if they are old and worn out? They're asking if you have three hundred empty mayonnaise jars and a six-foot ball of twine, not whether you hate cleaning the garage.
Have you ever exaggerated illness or other weakness in order to get attention? This means, "Do you have hypochondria/Munchausen syndrome?" not "Did you call in sick when you really needed to get away from your psycho boss for a day?"
Have others accused you of being arrogant? They mean "everybody," not "one hypersensitive person."
Are you quiet in social situations, often out of fear of saying something stupid? Well, yes. If I've never been there before. If I don't know anybody. Aren't you?
In short, we're all prob'ly healthier than this test would have us believe.
My results are below. I believe the Avoidant flag, but I'm skeptical about the Narcissist thing.
GentlyFeral (results below)
| Rating | Information | |
| Paranoid: | Low | click for info |
| Schizoid: | Low | click for info |
| Schizotypal: | Low | click for info |
| Antisocial: | Low | click for info |
| Borderline: | Low | click for info |
| Histrionic: | Low | click for info |
| Narcissistic: | Moderate | click for info |
| Avoidant: | High | click for info |
| Dependent: | Low | click for info |
| Obsessive-Compulsive: | Moderate | click for info |
it was at the meeting i ducked out of yesterday, mom told me all the highlights.
apparently they are starting to crack down on online gaming because it lets you associate with "worldly" people.
this was further extended to chat (which they have been after for years) and online communities.
Ha! I can't imagine what my wife would do if she caught me on this site. Probaly start crying and turn me into the elders.
It is to not laugh: I know an aposto-brother, former pioneer, who was turned in by his wife when she caught him on H2O. Then she divorced him. He used to go by the name of Snowball. He's OK now, though, but it was a hard struggle -- he was hospitalized for 3 months with a stress-related skin condition, if I remember right.
GentlyFeral
Devon, are you mixing up Richard Dawkins with Steven Hawking?
Anyway, Richard Dawkins' The Blind Watchmaker is the best popular book on evolution I know of. Makes it as clear as it's going to get for the mathematically-challenged.
GentlyFeral
