Welcome, Leaving JWS from another Newbie. It is amazing how real TRUTH brings clarity. And real truth you will never find in the mind of someone even a Parent who is a slave to a Cult. Whatever you do, DO NOT let anyone influence you on Matters as important as having children, they are truly Gods greatest gift. I hope you enjoy, and learn as much from this forum as I have. The Posters here are nothing less than AMAZING. We have all arived here in the same way, searching for TRUTH. That is all we want. Gone
allreadygone
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My Very First Post
by leaving-jws ini have been so reluctant to post basically because i am so torn about exposing my personal life.
i happen to come across this website by mistake about 6 months ago.
i agreed with your opinions of the jws view on higher education and independent thinking that i found on this website.
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fastfoward 20/20 were do you see the wts?
by karter ini'm sure it will be around but how big i don't know.. as the older ones die off or become inactive there doesn't seem to be as many stepping up to take there place as one elder said to me recently " iv'e just come from a meeting at bethal they talked a lot about how much of this generation we have lost it seems we have skipped a generation ".. after alot of growth in the 80's and early 90's things seemed to have tailed off in the western world .. in 1992 i helped build the kh i used to go to it was built to hold 250 it was about 3/4 full and growing now it has about 100 publishers they had 9 reg pioneers then now maybe 1 or 2 the enthusiasm seems to have faded at best.. i went to the talk with my wife the other week (she still active) alot asleep or staring into space when i left after the talk the was alot of people milling around and talking in the lobby.. what will happen in the future i don't know it's co's vist this week everyone will get reved up but it seems to faid just as quick.. your thoughts??
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I remember in the 80s when I was giving service meeting parts, and conducting book study it seemed as if every one was well prepared and the hands were everywhere. I have been out, having faded for many years now but recently been to a few meetings with my wife who still believes the BS and I can see a total disconnect with most of the young ones. They know it is BULLS%$T but stay for the only social life they have ever known. So wait until it is up to them to carry the flame and its curtains for the Borg. They don't call them the internet generation for nothing. It is the only place they will get the real truth. Gone
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I DID SOME WITNESSING!
by south african beef in....for the other side!!!!!!!!!!!!.
i am a salesman and in one of my customers premises i noticed a watchtower and awake in the bin!.
i asked a few questions and found out that a young lad that works there gets a visit from a 'nice little old lady' who has a chat and leaves the mags.
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Good job SAB, you may have given that young man the greatest gift possible, freedom from the Borg. We should all do our part to keep as many as possible from being enslaved. Gone
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What Can You Say to Jehovah's Witnesses Lame Excuses ?
by flipper ini noticed jg nat started a thread kind of similar, but dealing with elders .
my wife helped me come up with this thread with some good ideas here.
there are a few gems that witnesses use as excuses, phraseology they use to make excuses for their beliefs.
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{The light gets brighter} Jehovah is god of truth, and those who worship him must worship him truthfully! You never get truth from a lie and the BTBTS has lied many many times in Gods name. Show May 15th 1984 Watchtower page 7. Then show any Awake Mag C.A. 1990 page 4 Why awake is published: "Most important, this magazine builds confidence in the Creators promise of a peaceful and secure new world before the generation that saw the events of 1914 passes away." So either god is a lier or BTBTS is lying in Gods name.
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The Final Fallacy: If Witnesses Ruled the World
by metatron inafter all the disproofs and debunking of the watchtower society are done and its status as the "truth" is destroyed, we are left with one final.
argument supposedly in their favor: if the whole world was nothing but jehovah's witnesses, it would be a peaceful paradise.
this is the last argument that held me in the "truth" as an elder - inspite of all the lies and corruption i encountered in "jehovah's.
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I THINK IT WOULD BE GREAT! Signed R2D2
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Going to be if they get on JWD.
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WOW! look at all the Newbies...Welcome!
by new boy inwelome all..... i guess poping in on the board after missing a few months it is easier to note... i remember joining in 2002....we would get maybe 1-2 people a week?....now it seems we get that many people a day..if not more.. another way you can tell, is how many "post" are done in just a short time.
it takes hardly anytime time to get your "thread" bumped to the next page.....job well done!.
just another sign the cracks are going up the "witchtower".
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Thanks, glad to be here, there are a lot more on the way!!
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How do you spot a doubter ?
by confused and lost inhi all,i would like to know how to spot any doubters in my cong.the problem,as you are all well aware,is that everyone is to damn scared to openly say anything critical about the wts.so how can i ferret out any "would be doubters".any hints?
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Look around, I bet at least half have some doubts but will never voice them for family, or friends. That having been said start with long time dubs that are obviously thinkers and ask leading questions.Hey we did it all the time when we were in service. Like have you noticed a lot of the brothers and sisters don't seem to have the same zeal as before? Do you think the society's changing of the 1914 generation has made some slow down because there is now not any urgency,I mean now that the new system could be tomorrow could be 100 years from now?
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Why no warnings against "fading" in the literature?
by sir82 init has been pretty firmly established that the wts monitors ex-jw discussion boards generally, this one in particular.. on this forum and others, the strategy of "fading" is often discussed.
fading can be defined as gradually lessening one's activity in the congregation to the point where he virtually "disappears", becoming inactive & attending virtually no meetings.
thus, a more or less "normal" life can be achieved without the stigma and privations of disfellowshipping.. other ideas on how to get around the pain of disfellowshipping discussed on this type of forum have been discussed, if not in the literature, at least in boe letters.
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They are constantly warning against spiritual ship wreak by drifting away from meetings, not being regular in field service, letting our personal study slide, and all the other BS that keep us from using our minds for anything else except to bring more mindless robots into the Borganization. What they don't tell you is, if you drift and experience ship wreak, the island you are going to land on is a land where your able to think for yourself, get educated, make a good living, stop feeling sorry for all those poor worldly people that are about to die at the big A. And we will no longer need there sorry a$$e$ to have real happiness.
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Logic and the fallacy of 1914
by neverendingjourney inlogic dictates that to prove a conclusion you must break it down into its individual parts and prove each individual element.. for instance, i can prove that 2+2=4.
i can also prove that 4 - 1 = 3 and that 3+10= 13. therefore, i can definitely prove my conclusion that that 2+2-1+10=13.. however, i would be unable to prove that 2+z-1+10=13.
because one of the elements, z-1, is unverifiable.
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To all you 1914 nay sayers out there you forgot one very important thing 1914 is not the WTBTS date it is Jehovah's date and we could not change it if we wanted to. And so was 1874, 1915, 1919, 1925, 1935,1975.................... so how dare you Q US. What ever you do DO NOT THINK FOR YOUR SELFS!!!!