Posts by civicsi00

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JW's Views on Salvation
by KiddTruSS in
1. watchtower
2. beliefs
i am interested in the jw's views on salvation and have some questions i would like to ask, and if you could copy and paste my questions into your reply with your responses under each question, it would be much appreciated.

what is salvation?.

why is salvation divided between the elect and the sheep?.
civicsi00

Chalam: You didn't answer any of his questions correctly. He was wanting to know the JW's point of view, not the Bible's.
KidTruSS: Simply stated, the JW's point of view of each of your questions would require extensive (I say extensive because I don't know how familiar you are with JW's in the first place) Bible-hopping-taking-verses-out-of-context as well as Watchtower magazine quotes. Watchtower theology is not cut-and-dry and sometimes requires "mental gymnastics" in order to arrive at and understand what they really teach. Even then, you have to keep up with their ever-changing man-made doctrines which can change overnight.
Please consult with the JWfacts website above or also try Freeminds.org. Both have tons of info about these very questions..
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Witnesses and apostasy from the WT
by isaacaustin in
1. watchtower
2. bible
"apostates" are considered by the wt to be the worst kind of sinners, and summarily shunned at all costs.

while there is no scriptural basis for this when the seeming proof-texts are analyzed....fear and loyalty to the org always allow this to keep going on.

in the book of matthew, jesus was tempted by the satan the devil.
civicsi00

Try it. It still won't work. They've been conditioned to avoid answering the questions of "opposers". I forget the reason..
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What is the Biblical basis JWs are not allowed to 'witness' in churches?
by isaacaustin in
1. watchtower
2. beliefs
we know the book of acts shows paul doing just that.

since the wt claims to model itself off the 1st century christians, why this change?.
civicsi00

not xjw forums..I dont think i know anyone who goes on them......
look in the mirror.
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1914 only mentioned ONCE in new book! Can anyone confirm this?
by nicolaou in
1. watchtower
2. beliefs
in the new release, 'bearing thorough witness about gods kingdom' i could only find a single reference to 1914 on page 31. this is it;.

"each year, hundreds of thousands accept this offer and become baptized disciples of christ.

indeed, we are living at the time of the "restoration of all things" referred to by peter.
civicsi00

Although 1914 is only mentioned once in this new book, it does not mean it is going away.
The foundation of the current Watchtower religion is that the Kingdom was established in that year. They've stated and re-stated that their message is different from Christendom, in that they are preaching, not of a coming kingdom, but of onealready established. That's the key part.
If they were to do away with 1914, what would their message be? They would also have to select another year for the start of the "last days", for the approximate time period Satan was kicked out of heaven (because it wasn't necessarily in 1914, but on or after it), and for their 1919 appointment.
It ain't happening anytime soon. Sorry people.
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New Light: Don't hold hands during prayers
by RR in
1. watchtower
2. beliefs
from the watchtower november 15 study edition.. 19 when we are being represented in public prayer, we need to display reverential "fear of god.

" (1 pet 2:17) there may be a proper time and place for some actions that would be inappropriate at a christian meeting.

(eccl 3:1) for instance, suppose someone sought to have all in a group link arms or hold hands during prayer.
civicsi00

That's stupid. My wife and I used to hug each other during prayer because we loved God and ourselves. Isn't marriage a three-fold cord or whatever? God, husband, and wife?
How is it stumbling if you express affection through the simplest of ways?
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2009 Sing to Jehovah Lyrics--PDF----by request!
by Atlantis in
1. watchtower
2. bible
2009 sing to jehovah lyrics--pdf----by request!

request from researcher: i heard about this file but never received a copy and wondered if you had it.

can i get a copy?
civicsi00
Is this for real? I can't believe it! Look at some of the lyrics about the "faithful slave"! This cult is just becoming more and more cultish. Where the hell in the Bible did any apostle or person mention that they need to follow and obey such a "faithful slave" on earth?? Nowhere!
From song 43:
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2. Stay awake, and keep your senses,
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Always ready to obey.
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Stay alert to Christ’s direction
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Through his faithful slave today.
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Heed the counsel of the older men,
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Who protect his sheep and truth defend.
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We went to the meeting last night...
by cognac in
1. jw
2. friends
we rarely go.

but, we went because hubby wanted to tell the elders we are switching halls.. at first, i thought to myself that i would go out back with her when she gets fussy.

but, my baby doesn't really get fussy a lot so i just took her out back and played with her as she laughed hysterically.
civicsi00

We used to sit in the back room and let our son play around. He used to love just crawling and walking around that we could care less about sitting up front.
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I wonder if the BORG is doing that bad financially???
by cognac in
1. jw
2. friends
i mean, they had four new books released at the last dc... if they were doing that bad, would they have that many new releases???

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civicsi00

There's no way to know for sure how bad they're doing. Judging from all the changes they've made in recent years, I'm sure it was due to the 1990 donation change.
Now with the recent economic climate getting worse, they're gonna have to find other ways to generate some cash. And religion ain't it.
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Can you prove that only 144,000 anointed JWs go to heaven?
by jonathan dough in
1. watchtower
2. bible
one core jw teaching is the idea that only 144,000 go to heaven, which is wrong.

here is the first of many reasons why that teaching can't be sustained by scripture.

any other reasons you can think of?.
civicsi00

Without the book of Revelation, would JW's be able to prove that only 144,000 go to heaven?
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Watchtower in the 1950's said Armagedon was coming in 1976!!!!!! Not 1975!
by Witness 007 in
1. watchtower
2. beliefs
watchtower way back in 1955 p. 93-95 explains that 6,000 years of human history would end in........1976!

a decade later in franz's book "life everlasting freedom sons of god" 1966 his chart revised one year down to 1975.. "crisis of conscience" mentions how knorr argued with franz in the early 70's as he wanted to revise it back to 1976....anyone remember this!.
civicsi00

Back on the original point: "Crisis of Conscience" mentions how Knorr argued with Franz in the early 70's as he wanted to revise it back to 1976....anyone remember this!
Actually, Franz wanted to change it to 1974, but Knorr wouldn't allow it.
The debacle about 1975 is this: The Society did not directly state in print that 1975 would bring Armageddon. But they insinuated it. They published all kinds of articles that stated it was a "probability". But think about this: They had already experienced many other prophetic failures, i.e. 1914, 1918, 1920, 1925, and 1941. They knew what they were doing when they started predicting 1975. They knew they couldn't come right out and state it.