Posts by civicsi00

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Online Dictionary of J.W.ese - David Reed's website

by Yizuman in

david reed finally put this up today...it's a concise dictionary of jw speak, explaining the language often used by dubs today (as well as past obsolete languages no longer used today.).

check it out... http://cftf.com/dictionary/.

yiz.

Do JW's Really Believe That the End is Near?

by Sour Grapes in

as i listened to the brother giving the public talk.

sunday, he mentioned several times how close we.

are to the end.

The older JW's (like the ones in my family) still believe the end is near. Most of them don't have any retirement plans or 401K's. I'm not sure how well they're going to fare in a few more years. Even my mom is counting on the end being near so she doesn't have to work to support herself.

The elders in my old congo are a little younger and they have 401K's and savings. I can't say for sure, but I would suspect that the better off Witlesses actually have retirement plans.

JW's are able to talk out of both sides of their mouth. On the one hand, they unswervingly teach that the end is near. On the other, some set aside money for the future, since they don't know for sure just how near the end is.

I tried researching on the WT CD just how often the WT recommended saving up for retirement and I really couldn't find anything. Has anyone else tried looking? On a shepherding visit, one of the elders tried arguing that saving up for retirement was "a personal decision". My argument was that the WT teaches the end is near, so an average Witless wouldn't even think about saving up. I did find an article or two on the WT CD stressing that even though the Levites "retired" from temple service, this did not mean that the Witlesses would be able to retire from the preaching work. Now that's sick!

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March 15, 2010 Watchtower -- "One Flock, One Shepherd"

by sd-7 in

march 15, 2010 watchtower, p. 27, par.

16 ("one flock, one shepherd"):.

"paul also helps us to understand that those with an earthly hope do not partake of the memorial emblems.

civicsi00

I know, it's a very disturbing article. I was disgusted with the way they continually beat the "other sheep" into submissive morons for their enjoyment.

If or when they finally allow that, the 'other sheep' will be crying tears of joy and be eternally grateful to the SLAVE CLASS for permitting them to have what JESUS, the MASTER, freely offered them from the beginning.

And thus they will be denied eternal life because they didn't listen to the Master, but instead followed their False Prophet wherever it went.

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Have a laugh at these cringe-worthy Watchtower interpretations. JW's must be so embarrassed.

by yadda yadda 2 in

utterly embarrassing.

how many jw's honestly believe these daft interpretations?

hard to believe these are actually held out as current truth lol.

civicsi00

Nice! Thanks for compiling this!

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Nearly 100 years of Devil's "short period of time" (Rev 12:12) - Ridiculous!

by yadda yadda 2 in

i was reading this article on http://www.watchman.org/jw/1914hst1.htm and this paragraph struck me as particularly interesting:.

"apparently the society feels that the judgment period has stretched too far.

its been over 80 years since the judgment began in 1914. they are now saying the bible, "does not show that such judging would continue over an "extended period of many years" (watchtower, 15 october 1995, p. 22).

civicsi00

Aussie Oz said: The best part is here:

We have long felt that the parable depicted Jesus’ sitting down as King in 1914 and since then making judgments—everlasting life for people proving to be like sheep, permanent death for the goats. But a reconsideration of the parable points to an adjusted understanding of its timing and what it illustrates. This refinement reinforces the importance of our preaching work and the significance of people’s response. To see the basis for this deeper understanding of the parable, let us consider what the Bible shows about Jehovah and Jesus, both as Kings and as Judges.

That's the best part. They used to teach that since 1923, the preaching work was to separate the sheep/goats (this was even considered direct "light" from Jehovah). Yet in 1995 they dismiss this teaching but still hold onto how this "refinement reinforces the importance of our preaching work". Huh? The preaching work was important because it separated people into sheep/goats. So how does this refinement show the importance if it has nothing to do with it now?

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I just read chapter 4 of Combatting Cult Mind Control and...

by doublelife in

jw
friends

wow.

it's strange because even though i decided in sept that this is a false religion, it's still a little overwhelming to read this chapter.

if cult members have two identities, then where is my other identity?

civicsi00

If cult members have two identities, then where is my other identity?

That's the exact same question I've been pondering. But I've realized, like others pointed out, that this "hidden" personality is within you and it's up to you to nurture it. Whatever it is.

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Jehovahs Witnesses are banned in Russia

by Quadraphoenix in

http://www.forum18.org/archive.php?article_id=1385.

this is very exciting news for all of us, especially for the ones that want to leave that are in russia.. .

quadraphoenix.

civicsi00

This is different. The JW's can't take it to court and win. They already lost. If they try appealing to the EU, I have a feeling they're not going to get anywhere with it. This may be a religion that thrives on persecution, but this is NOT going to motivate the JW's much more. They expect persecution but if they live in a country that doesn't hassle them, then they will be lax on preaching and bringing the money in.

I especially like what one poster said earlier in this thread: It was supposed to be Babylon the Great that fell first, not the WT!!

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Jehovahs Witnesses are banned in Russia

by Quadraphoenix in

http://www.forum18.org/archive.php?article_id=1385.

this is very exciting news for all of us, especially for the ones that want to leave that are in russia.. .

quadraphoenix.

civicsi00

Damn, this is awesome. Babylon the Great The Watchtower has fallen in Russia!

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"This Good News Of The Kingdom! Was it authorized by Jehovah?

by wannabe in

was it to be true, that jehovah would have an active 'visible organization' on this earth today, as is claimed by the governing bodies watchtower society, would not the christ, when he gave the composite sign of his invisible presence, have made some mention of that organization, and directed us all to follow it?

matthew 24 - mark 13 - luke 21 -.

doesn't it seem strange, that there is no mention of an organization that represented him?

civicsi00

I'd also like to add that the Title of your thread is one of the most intriguing parts of the JW teachings. They teach that from 1919 forward, their preaching message should consist of sounding the bell that Babylon the Great has fallen, and that the Kingdom was established in 1914. This is so foreign to the Scriptures that the WT has had to rewrite and reinvent exactly what the New Testament is all about. When I read parts of the book Holy Spirit (published in 1976), I was shocked when I got to the part where it talked about exactly this: That they were NOT preaching the same message as the Apostles. This was one big nail in the coffin for me because I knew in my heart that the Bible should be the authority on what to teach and not some message first-proclaimed in the 20th century. I read, and then re-read Galatians 1:8 and it was crystal clear.

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"This Good News Of The Kingdom! Was it authorized by Jehovah?

by wannabe in

was it to be true, that jehovah would have an active 'visible organization' on this earth today, as is claimed by the governing bodies watchtower society, would not the christ, when he gave the composite sign of his invisible presence, have made some mention of that organization, and directed us all to follow it?

matthew 24 - mark 13 - luke 21 -.

doesn't it seem strange, that there is no mention of an organization that represented him?

civicsi00

Doesn't it seem strange, that there is no mention of an Organization that represented him? In fact he went to great pains, to direct our attention away from any claiming to represent him?

Exactly! I personally documented some of the specific texts you mentioned and it's perfectly clear that there WOULDN'T be an organization representing Christ, otherwise he would have flat out told them! This is what the WT needs the Bible to say:

"Look guys, I know all of what I've said sounds confusing so far, so let me break it down further. I'm going to go away, you're all going to die, and apostasy is going to set in for approximately 1900 years in the church. Then I'm going to come back and establish my Kingdom invisibly and I will personally select a group of anointed individuals who have sort of existed throughout these 1900 years but not really. This group will have the new task of preaching about my established Kingdom instead of the message you guys are preaching now (which is about how my death has freed mankind from sin). I know, I know, but I think this plan will work out the best. Got it? Good."