knock, knock,knock.
a 15 yr old boy opened the door..."yes?".
"are u anthony?".
Yeah, what Gopher said...
I'm just glad you got out when you did. As for me, I've spent one year in therapy for every year of torment I endured in "the truth".
There will be other girlfriends, believe it or not; try not to lose the good feelings of that relationship, and just realize there will be much better ones to come.
Really.
after having read and responded to a person on this board who declares themselves to a. dhere to an atheist ideology, i came away feeling that ive been discussing matters with .
a theistic dogmatist.
it was quiet unusual because their attitude towards others was .
Hi Carl: Marmot does not speak for us all. I enjoy your reasoned, thorough approach and style.
I think your sparring partner got cranky because you wouldn't meet him at his emotional level, preferring a more intellectual response. You wouldn't get all hot and bothered when he tried to make you angry, which is probably something he isn't used to. His "score" would have been if you would have "lost it", which is what he really seemed to be looking for, if you ask me.
You can take the man out of JW, but you can't always get the JW out of the man...
i would like someone to discuss some issues i have.
i understand all are welcome here, so i am sure some elders or former elders could help me.
i was a pioneer for 7 years, before that i was a regular auxiliarry pioneer for 3 years, i have been a witness for 17 years.
inactive?: Others have posted good adivce (CO, then DO, then letter to headquarters; or, get out). Yet I am surprised that so many would find that the good advice - really the only things that can be done - will net a good result. If you really want to be "in", you will have to fight for it, and allow a little "righteous indignation" into your attitude.
You are being treated this way for one or both of two reasons: your daughter's behavior/situation (you are tainted because of her, and you are associating with her - certainly you know you must shun her now, she is DFed and actively pursuing an evil life - I'm sorry, but that's how they see it), and/or the elders dislike you.
Of course you are told not to try and remedy the situation by taking it over the elders' heads - this is how bureaucracies work. Of course most of your efforts will fall on deaf ears and you will be re-referred back down the chain of command back to the local congration - this is how bureaucracies work. Welcome to the land where the rubber meets the road, and the sweet theoretical light of God guiding his organization gets dim at this altitude.
Your story doesn't surprise me much, it matches in many ways watching my dad trying to stay and then get back in. He too was asked to voluntarily step down, he too was told not to take it to the higher-ups, he too spent a good five years (!) just trying to get an answer from someone other than "this has been referred back to the local congregation". Most of the interference he got was generated from an elder who personally did not like my dad.
What does sound ultra-fishy, even from my jaded viewpoint, is that you still have the priv of cleaning the hall? Without then encouraging your meeting attendance and without your attending that hall? That either doesn't add up, or your elders are truly the poster children for nuts.
Even with the various wierdness I have seen, the elders have always encouraged meeting attendance (not seeming from a desire to help people return to God, but rather as a way to dominate and control them, to "prove" you want to come back) - I have never seen, in my worst views of how DA and DF and others are treated, never seen anyone not being expected to crawl into meetings. Non-attendace always results in asking for keys, and removal of privs. Perhaps you are professional maintenance workers and they view your cleaning the hall as a business situation?
I also have never seen field slavery time rejected, not without charges of apostasy or other misconduct.
But, from what I have seen, I certainly can't say it hasn't happened to you. If you insist on this being the religion for you, then you must chalk it up to some serious personal grudges and keep working within the system (CO, DO, HQ) until you get resolution.
You will probably also have to choose between a relationship with your daughter and your membership in this organization.
Is it painful? Yes. My heart truly cries out at your pain and confusion.
Do you have the power to choose? Yes. Your own heart will tell you where your priorities should be. That's God's voice telling you what to do.
hi people
i have not been here for a while, i used to be addicted but work got in the way, although i check back now and then.
anyway i was reading about the girl in england who died as she refused a blood transfusion.
Some of us nearly lose our moms due to life-threatening convoluted dogma, others (Gopher) lose them from mind control...I am saddened...
I went from the perfect favored grandson to zero contact in 4.9 seconds - lost my grandmother from shunning, and it was only my dad who was DAed at that time. I guess I was part of the same evil smudge in the family.
Yet my mom - who has quite a cat collection of her own in some ways - never bought into the shunning thing. She has blithely ignored all commandments to shun family and non-family and has been quite convinced that she knows who is good for her to associate with and who is not.
Will wonders never cease??
this picture below is taken from the revelation book, i've checked the book itself and the image i found on the internet is accurate.
so is this image actually showing what appears to be a demon hand thingy?.
just wondering...i showed mum and she was pretty freaked by it but then said 'its down to the mist, it makes it look like that' lol, i love dubs .
I would chalk it up to poor rendering - the "motion blur" of the smiting weapon, the shadows.
What really gets me is the face lifts the guys have had - look at the apparent age of the faces compared to the apparent age of the hands! Wrinkles and veins standing out (not unlike my own) on the hands, but so baby-faced. Hmm...baby-faced but with beards.
Now *that's* subliminal!
dear readers of revelation,.
i have been reminded that a simple question is more effective than an elaborate presentation.
i have become very careful about what i say and how much i say to most people.
I would chalk it up to poor rendering - the "motion blur" of the smiting weapon, the shadows.
What really gets me is the face lifts the guys have had - look at the apparent age of the faces compared to the apparent age of the hands! Wrinkles and veins standing out (not unlike my own) on the hands, but so baby-faced. Hmm...baby-faced but with beards.
Now *that's* subliminal!
i never got my km.not when i was a unbaptized publisher ,not after i got baptized.i always wondered why.the rest of my family got theirs but not me.someone would usually hand me one durring the service meeting but i never got one from my bookstudy conductor.. could it be the i rarely went to the book study?
?could it be that i never went in service??
i counted a few hours every month but i never met with the group.. .
Bite: dub = JW (j-DUB-ul-you)
Noni: It was a wierd "attaboy" - My dad got a one, I don't recall ever getting one (despite being baptized, doing Field Slavery, and giving talks), and my mom never got one either - hmm, I don't recall ANY sister getting one...
apparently some food items offend persons on this site.
so, out of curiousity, what foods offend you?
what about them offends you?
Bugs, sea bugs (lobster, shrimp, crab), blood sausage like many others here - though I can't quite separate the JW part from the general ickiness of the smell and texture...oh, and I wouldn't consider most of the things they put in hot dogs to be food, but I'll chow down a Kosher beef hot dog once in a while.
Anything the culture I was raised in would generally consider a housepet.
this question is about your initial response visually....not the girl, not the girl your with, just what color hair draws your eye first.. blond, brunette, red, or black?.
r..
Red, but I might not count (being gay and all). The only lady I dated was a redhead, and while I might not have switched teams, she certainly grabbed my attention, and for quite a while.
i was talking to gumby today and he told me that one elder that he knows said: "...he heard a gb mention of some new light about the "generation".
he said the gb member said they now believe that scripture applied to only the annointed...".
have we had any discussions on jwd about this?
Homerovah: yeah, amzing how in 40 years the whole publishing machine didn't dawn on me...thousands in a captive convention audience, nothing to pay attention to but dry old codgers spouting arcane chronologies - quick, let's go out and buy the latest "study aids" and read that instead! Ooh, another edition of the Bible with two words changed in a verse! And...all tax free!
