very interesting e-book.
thought i might share, i have the full version also.. .
http://www.sendspace.com/file/8p3xtf.
Hi Frosty: Absolutely. Never let your thoughts of "Oh, I could never..." hold you back. Few of us ever do anything outside the tiny little dotted box, the little pen the Society kept us in. I know I was never taught to believe I had "potential", for anything other than sinning.
When I coach people, I tell them: try it! How do you know you can't, if you don't try?
Our beliefs in our limitations give them power over us.
Cheers!
i always liked captain beefheart and his magic band.
here are a few youtube examples:.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iqrhr5peifu&feature=related.
have been involved with the watchtower since 1968, hence my moniker....tired of the hypocrisy.. i am hear to listen, learn, share and help others.
i have not done much of anything in about 15 yrs.
maybe since my wife's folks are still active in it and i would not want them to get on her about it.
Welcome, Tired. Have fun!
who did you get along with better socially?
fellow jw's or 'worldly people'?.
how have your social interactions changed since leaving?.
Who did you get along with better socially? Fellow JW's or 'Worldly People'?
As a child, I was an outcast from both. I was perceived as self-righteous by worldlies because my family was well-known for being JWs, and I didn't fit in with the JWs because I was horrified by their behavior (self-righteous and hypocritical, even as kids). As a teen, I had two very close buddies who were in, one of whom faded successfully; that was the one I've stayed friends with over the years, whereas the other wrote me off long ago. As an adult, I prefer less narrow-minded associates, so it's worldlies these days.
How have your social interactions changed since leaving?
I can be myself, so I'm more relaxed and can be honest. I don't have to believe certain things to be accepted.
How did you make these changes?
Instead of running away from people that were supposedly evil, I got to know them. I found out there were good, kind, honest people outside of the Hall, who didn't have to pretend they were perfect - and so they could put their energy into being the best they can.
How do your friends today compare with your friends back then? (aside from the obvious)
I have close friends today who know the "real" me and care about me - and vice versa.
Do you find it easier or more difficult to make friends now that you're out?
Less BS (presenting a false exterior, trying hard to believe in difficult doctrines) = easier relationships.
recently we seem to have had a few different dramas and subsequent fallout on the fourm which i feel has detracted from its purpose.
with this in mind we have decided that we need to bring the forum back on track and as such we will be clamping down on a lot of the aggressive / insulting posts which have begun to become the norm for a few people.
we will also be clamping down on the paranoid assusation type of comments against newbies, if someone joins the fourm and you do not believe everything they post - so what, why do we need to hound them away with shouts of troll and fake etc, just ignore them if you dont beleive them.
Sorry to all those who don't like my twaddle.
Priest: I find your twaddle to be the filet mignon of twaddle.
very interesting e-book.
thought i might share, i have the full version also.. .
http://www.sendspace.com/file/8p3xtf.
Maybe a little "gimick-y" for some, but kinder than EST and more grounded than The Secret...I hadn't seen this particular presentation of the human potential/actualization world before.
What about it works especially well for you, Frosty?
...in all fiction:jealous and proud of it; petty, unjust, unforgiving, control freak; a vindictive, bloodthirsty, ethnic cleanser; a misogynistic, homophobic, racist, infanticidal, genocidal, filicidal, pestilential, megalomaniacal, sadomasochistic, capriciously malevent bully.
", says richard dawkins in the god delusion p51.
he goes on to say, "those of us schooled from infancy in his ways can become desensitized to their horror".. would you agree?.
We would all love having the answers to perplexing questions.
Too true, Snow (and I appreciate your posts here and elsewhere). But my point, as I suspect you also might understand, is that some things seem so wrapped in myth that they should not really be taken seriously.
looking at the questions to go over for the blood video, it looks like and i have heard in the past how the wts expounds about the medical positives of not taking blood, and rails against blood for all the problems, diseases, and the fact that it does not always work........... the real question is....... why do they even waste time on that if the issue is supposed to be a biblical/scriptural restriction.?.
even if taking blood was the best thing in the world for you , the wts stance is that the bible and jehovah forbid it, end of story.
there is really no need to try to convince people who want to supposedly follow jehovah's command to abstain from blood.
As I recall, there was quite a movement in the early 20th century to "prove" that Biblical injunctions (avoiding pork, and the like) had sound medical bases, casting God in the role of "Master Physician". Basically, people wanted Science to support issues of Faith.
My experience with the blood issue in the 60's was a continuation of this way of thinking - it's not just that God reserves the blood for Himself, but it's also a medically positive thing for God to so wisely keep us safe. No pork, no trychinosis; no blood, no transfusion-related problems.
...in all fiction:jealous and proud of it; petty, unjust, unforgiving, control freak; a vindictive, bloodthirsty, ethnic cleanser; a misogynistic, homophobic, racist, infanticidal, genocidal, filicidal, pestilential, megalomaniacal, sadomasochistic, capriciously malevent bully.
", says richard dawkins in the god delusion p51.
he goes on to say, "those of us schooled from infancy in his ways can become desensitized to their horror".. would you agree?.
Um...is Atlantis mentioned in the Bible? If Uz is like Atlantis, then I suspect the way they are alike is that "maybe there was a place called that at one time, but it's actual existence has become the stuff of fable"...in other words, no one can say any more, and it may as well be myth...
do you think a witness is more apt to leave the wts because:.
1) ....of indisputable proof of the wts's falsehoods.. or.
2) .....something that personally happened to them that caused a disenchantment w/ the organization.. thanks for you input!.
Until there is some personal disillusion (#2), the hold of the cult mentality usually prevents evaluation of the "truth" (#1).
Everything unpleasant is easily ignored until an emotion is engaged.
The question can be put like this: do people leave the WTS for intellectual or emotional reasons? Most require an emotional kick to start things off.
