its strange how you can always remember where you were when you first learn about a cataclysmic event.
9-11 being the most recent case, or 11-9 in the uk.
theres been other times, of course, jfks assassination being the most well recalled event up until the wtc affair.. but, i can actually remember what i was doing at this very hour 50 years ago to the day.
The REAL British Sex Symbol, Britty!!
Sorry, BritBoy--Englishman gets my vote. I hardly dare think of him walking boldly out his front door to ravish the daffodils.
Part 3. Things Begin To Heat Up....
http://www.jehovahs-witness.com/forum/thread.asp?id=15912&site=3
Ginny
the 70s passed by in a haze of bad fashions and flaccid watchtower excess.
i tried hard to be bright-boy, thinking somehow that i was pleasing the inhabitants of heaven by doing so, and was rapidly pushed up jacobs corporate ladder, somehow without ever having to put my foot on a rung.
regular pioneer, ms, infant elder, special pioneer, temporary co, special branch assignments, they dropped on me with a rapidity that took away my senses.
I had gradually metamorphosed from a good poet to a bad politician . . .
It appears you've metamorphosed once again, HS--from bad politician to great writer. You net your memories with such grace.
Ginny
a quick introduction then on to my 2nd post *smiles*.... general greetings & well wishes.....i'm new to jwd, but not new to xjw/jw chat.
i'm 36 years old (and yes...i'm wearing a bonnet and a pink outfit in my pic) (that means i'm a chick for all you lusty men)i've spent the last 3.5 years online laughing, crying, generally healing from my watchtower divorce.
so now that i've let go of all the spit n venom...i sit here worried that my posts will lack the sarcasm and general wicked tone necessary to keep your interest...maybe i should invest in some semi-nude glamour shots?
Wick,
Perhaps we were separated at birth, and I have amnesia?
But then, it looks like you're a summer, and I'm a winter.
Glad you came out of the closet.
Ginny
its strange how you can always remember where you were when you first learn about a cataclysmic event.
9-11 being the most recent case, or 11-9 in the uk.
theres been other times, of course, jfks assassination being the most well recalled event up until the wtc affair.. but, i can actually remember what i was doing at this very hour 50 years ago to the day.
Well, of course mum knew everything, she was always telling me that she could see around corners, and she was very old too, almost 29, so she was quite a wise old bird.
I love your stories, Englishman.
Ginny
if god created man,why is the modern vocal tract posited so people are more likely to choke to death.. cf.
eve spoke-human language and human evolution,pp139-140.
the position of the larynx means that modern humans are more likelier to choke to death.. would a loving god create man in such a way that he would be likely to choke to death
Would a loving God create man in such a way that he would be likely to choke to death?
Considering some of the men I have known in my lifetime, maybe this was a loving provision for women.
Ginny
lilacs started a fluffy thread on what "men look for in a woman".
i think it only fair that we ladies have the opportunity to have our say!!!!!.
and.....it's time i had a fluff post.
I only like two kinds of men: domestic and imported.
--Mae West (and Ginny)
At the very least, I wish religions were required to use disclosure statements similar to ones used by credit card companies and insurance companies. Investment firms are required to offer a prospectus--why not religions? Even a warning label like the one on cigarettes would help.
Ginny
i am looking for some assistance or resources on anger mangement.. i have known the truth about the truth for about a year now.. due to reasons of family i don't beleive i can make a 100% break at this time.. i seem to have a major problem getting past the anger.
i am not an angry person by nature and in the past when i have gotten angry it never lasted very long.. at times i feel that the reason i can't get past the anger is because i have not made a complete break.
i don't know if this is true since i see many here who have made the break and the anger persists.. if there is anyone here who has experienced this and has found a way to move past the intense feelings of anger without completly breaking from the borg due to family reasons and can offer some advice i would welcome it.. is it possible to get past the anger with one foot still in?
Here's a section from The Portable Therapist by Susanna McMahon:
Why am I so angry?Anger is a part of the cycle of grief one feels when leaving the Society. As mentioned in the article, each individual chooses how to channel this anger. Focus has chosen to become an activist in exposing Watchtower lies; Prisca has chosen to let it go.Anger is one of the most basic and also most important emotions. It is necessary for survival as the feeling often generates the necessary strength to do things to protect ourselves that we normally could not do. Anger is also necessary in the infant's development of a sense of self as distinct from others. Everyone has anger. Why then is this important emotion so difficult for people to deal with? Why does anger produce so much denial of the feeling? And so much fear?
The answers, once again, go back to our training. We have been taught, since we were little, that being angry is "bad" and that other people do not like us when we are angry. We learned that most of our anger is unjustified (as if feelings need justification) and that we have no right to be angry because we must consider the other person's feelings before we consider ourselves. We have learned as children to deny our feelings of anger and to repress them so that we will not be labeled "bad." If we cannot deny or repress the anger and we let it out, then we feel guilty and have to make justifications for our feelings. We have learned, usually before the age of five, that anger produces a vicious trap: if we express it, we are "bad," if we repress it, it grows into rage and we are "bad," and if we deny it, we learn not to trust our own feelings and that feels "bad." What is the solution to this anger trap?
Give yourself permission to feel angry. You cannot control your feelings of anger. You do not always know when and why and how you will feel angry. Sometimes you may feel angry without knowing why. And sometimes, when you would expect to feel angry, you do not. Anger lives inside of you along with your other feelings. Accept that you can feel angry. But do not confuse the feeling of anger with the expression of anger. You cannot control the feeling of anger but you can control what you choose to do when you are angry.
Our training has taught us to confuse the feeling of anger with the angry behaviors that we exhibit. Most of us are afraid of what we do when we are angry. We have repressed and denied our anger until it explodes and we are in a rage. We then act in a destructive manner, to others and to ourselves. Accepting the angry feeling as it occurs means that we do not accumulate the feelings until they become rage. Often, accepting our anger as it occurs is enough. Remember, we do not always have to act on our feelings and our thoughts. We can choose what we will do and we have a wide variety of choices.
Practice saying to yourself when you feel angry: "I am angry. What do I want to do with this? How can I feel okay with my anger?" Sometimes you may choose to express it to others. Sometimes you may choose to think about it for a while before you act on it. Sometimes you may want to yell and get upset and sometimes you may want to calmly talk it out. And, once in a while, you may choose to let it go and to do nothing about it. There is no one right way to act when angry. Any behavior you choose is right as long as you take responsibility for it and you feel all right with yourself. If you cannot get past your anger and let it go, ask for help. Most of the time, recognizing that you are angry at the moment you feel it and accepting your feeling without judgment is enough for the feeling to abate. Just as you cannot control your feelings, your feelings cannot control you, unless you choose to let them.
As for "victims of victims" vs. "controlled by a Wolf Class," my own opinion is that most people fall somewhere in the middle. People choose to believe in this religion and subject themselves to the strong influence of men whom they believe speak for God.
I don't consider myself an anti-Watchtower activist. I applaud those who tirelessly expose the lies, and I am happy when I see Watchtower growth rates decline. Still, I know that many ex-JWs jump right out of the Watchtower frying pan into another one. I don't want so much to be anti-Watchtower as I want to be for education, for critical thinking skills, for understanding logical fallacies, and for recognizing unethical attempts to influence, wherever they may occur.
Ginny
the moody bible instititute wrote the watchtower society asking for a debate on the radio.
brooklyn sent them a list of 33 questions and stated that if they could not answer them, there was no use in debating.
23. was one penalty passed against his soul and another against his body?.
Sister Rossetta answers all my Biblical questions these days.
Ginny, wondering if Yadirf wears boxers or briefs . . . I bet Lilacs knows!
Dear Sister Rossetta,
We are several concerned, God fearing men, who need your enlightenment on a subject that most men have to deal with. Does Satan use a man's underwear choice against him? The debate between boxers or briefs is just too confusing, and we were seeking your advice as to which should be worn, to protect the family jewels from the burning flames of hell. Also, what about thongs and g-strings, are those bad too, because the women really like them, or should we just go freestyle, the way we were born?
Thanks,
The Fraternal Order of Buttmonkeys
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Dear Fraternal Order of Buttmonkeys:
Deceived Christians think that Jesus will allow them through the pearly gates regardless of the underwear they choose. Not so! The Bible Clearly States that to guarantee admittance into heaven, men's underwear must go up to the neck, down to the wrists, and down to the ankles!
Today's stubborn generation ignores that sweet promise in exchange for vanity and comfort. Men are left to choose between boxers and briefs.
Some gamble their salvation on the garment that covers the most skin--the boxer. But only a hedonist could endure the free-swinging movement that boxers allow! God's verdict is clear: You must wear "Tighty-Whities."
The Bible Clearly States you are forbidden to "go commando" or "free-style." That's a sin! And any woman who suggests you wear a thong or g-string is a strumpet and a whore! God has spoken.
Sister Rossetta
Caution: Of late, satanic hybrid undergarments called boxer-briefs have become popular in the secular world. Don't be fooled! If you wear them, you'll go straight to Hell as surely as all those models for Abercrombie, Structure, and Calvin Klein!
in chat tonight, i enjoyed the opportunity to talk to someone here who is actively involved in doing fund raising for different ex-dub projects and organizations.
i thought that was really a cool thing to do and wanted to pass a few thoughts on to you good folks to think favorably in this direction.. im not soliciting for any funds here but rather ideas of how different individuals might raise some capital to donate to the cause they see important.
i know there are many generous people out there and that is all well and good if you have the funds you want to contribute but i was thinking there may be additional ways that we could raise capital for projects without resorting to asking for collections.. some of the time honored ways of doing things like this are bake sales, selling candy, or some other product.
Mindchild,
Here are a few ideas:
Sell tickets to a masquerade ball at which you dress up as your favorite prophecy. Of course, all the women would argue over who gets to be the Great Whore of Babylon. The Norwegians could roam the party as Nephilim. We could serve wine and bittersweet scroll hors deouvres.
Have a JW/ex-JW carnival featuring . . .
Hand raising contests--quickest, best camouflaged, etc.
Street witnessing marathons. Each person wears a number and sees how long he can walk around holding up magazines against his chest. Maybe we can even make a movie: "They Shoot Dead Sheep, Don't They?"
Door knocking contests. Prizes for the loudest and the softest knocks.
A flush out the householder game. You knock on the door. The "householder" pretends not to be at home and hides in his house or runs out the back door. Your job is to track him down and make a placement--not matter what.
For young brothers, a microphone obstacle course and seat saving sprints.
Pass the wine without spilling it--without using your hands!
Name that Kingdom melody!
A governing body/DO/CO/elder dunking booth. At $1.00 for three tosses, this could be a real money maker. We might have to open up an adjacent pie throwing booth.
A "What's My Sin?" game: Was your sin public or private? Did it involve touching? Others or yourself?
Hope this helps.
Ginny
