Posts by Ginosko

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Today I had been DA

by Ginosko in

first of all, sorry for my bad english i'm from peru south america.

there's a lot to tell but i'm going in this time to be brief, because i'm very busy.. i had been an elder for almost 8 years and a jh for more than 22 years.. i'm a searcher of the truth from the 10 years old.

i grow as a catholic and got baptized as a jh at the age of 21.. in october of 2001 a jw friend ask me about the un&wt and bulgarian affair.

Ginosko

Thanks all for yours kindly words. I had lost a lot of very goods friends, but maybe I'll will know new ones. On the other hand, I believe that I still have goods friends amongs the JW.

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Today I had been DA

by Ginosko in

first of all, sorry for my bad english i'm from peru south america.

there's a lot to tell but i'm going in this time to be brief, because i'm very busy.. i had been an elder for almost 8 years and a jh for more than 22 years.. i'm a searcher of the truth from the 10 years old.

i grow as a catholic and got baptized as a jh at the age of 21.. in october of 2001 a jw friend ask me about the un&wt and bulgarian affair.

Ginosko

Hi Mulan,

They disasociated me. Is really hard to believe, because I didn't ask for it. I very clearly express 10 days ago that I didn't want to DA myself. They didn't have any reason to DF me, because I didn't talk with any JW about this topic except Caballo Sentado who asked me originally of the problem, and the elders. That's the reason because I ask to see any write procedure of the WT that permit them to DA a person against his will, they told me that they don't have any document and that this is a verbal procedure. They DA me using to witness the PO and the CO that I dind't believe in them as the only channel of God, and that I myself didn't consider as a Brooklin JW.

Ginosko

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Today I had been DA

by Ginosko in

first of all, sorry for my bad english i'm from peru south america.

there's a lot to tell but i'm going in this time to be brief, because i'm very busy.. i had been an elder for almost 8 years and a jh for more than 22 years.. i'm a searcher of the truth from the 10 years old.

i grow as a catholic and got baptized as a jh at the age of 21.. in october of 2001 a jw friend ask me about the un&wt and bulgarian affair.

Ginosko

Hola OldHippie,

Me entere de que habian opiniones discrepantes por que el Presidente de mi congragacion me dijo ayer lo que dije en mi post original: El no penso originalmente en desasociarme, pero habia sido una decision de la mesa de servicio de la sucursal el hacerlo. Por otra parte el que haya o no haya habido opiniones discrepantes en realidad es una especulacion. El Presidente de mi congregacion ha sido nombrado hace poco miembro de la misma mesa de servicio de la sucursal, y el preparo el informe de la visita de hace unos dies dias a mi casa. Lo natural es que le hayna preguntado a el su opinion, sin embargo no precise ese punto. Me parece esto un asunto anecdotico y no tan relevante.

Ginosko

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Today I had been DA

by Ginosko in

first of all, sorry for my bad english i'm from peru south america.

there's a lot to tell but i'm going in this time to be brief, because i'm very busy.. i had been an elder for almost 8 years and a jh for more than 22 years.. i'm a searcher of the truth from the 10 years old.

i grow as a catholic and got baptized as a jh at the age of 21.. in october of 2001 a jw friend ask me about the un&wt and bulgarian affair.

Ginosko

Hi OldH,

They didn't remark about a desagreement in the branch service committe, but I believe that this is not uncommon, in a judicial committe they are also disagreeements in some opportunities.

Ginosko.

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Today I had been DA

by Ginosko in

first of all, sorry for my bad english i'm from peru south america.

there's a lot to tell but i'm going in this time to be brief, because i'm very busy.. i had been an elder for almost 8 years and a jh for more than 22 years.. i'm a searcher of the truth from the 10 years old.

i grow as a catholic and got baptized as a jh at the age of 21.. in october of 2001 a jw friend ask me about the un&wt and bulgarian affair.

Ginosko

Hi,

First of all, sorry for my bad English I'm from Peru South America. There's a lot to tell but I'm going in this time to be brief, because I'm very busy.

I had been an elder for almost 8 years and a JH for more than 22 years.

I'm a searcher of the truth from the 10 years old. I grow as a Catholic and got baptized as a JH at the age of 21.

In October of 2001 a JW friend ask me about the UN&WT and Bulgarian affair. I made my research and didn't see any good answer. When I read the WT answer I realize that they were lying. I got baptized as a first generation of JW in my family and as a lot of us did an intensive research in the teaching of the soul, the trinity, the hell and the spirit and accepted the truth. I told them that from that moment I was going to beleive.

I was in the USA in October and I return to my country in January of 2002. I told to the elders, friends of me, about the ONU affair and that I can still believe in the WT as the only channel of God. And also give some other information about some other teaching that at that moment I didn't saw Bible support, for example the transfusion of blood.

I had some meeting with other elders in the following months, because the original elders of my congregation move to others congregations or go away for other reasons.

Almost two weeks ago I receive a visit from the actual PO and the CO, and between others things I said that I didn't believe that the GB was the channel of God. They send a letter with the report to the service committe of the branch, and they decide to DA. The PO visit to me today with another elder, the older PO and they told me about the decision.

Among other things they told me:

1. That was a decision of the service committe. The PO of my congregacion s a member of this committe.

2. Originally the PO didn't want to DA me, but that was a decision of the service committe.

3. I ask them if they think that I'm a wicked man without a relationship with God for 4 times. At last they tooks theirs eyes away of me.

4. I told them about any biblical support to DA that can apply to me, they began to told about the GB, and I quickly replied that the Bible don't talk about any GB. They didn't gave me any biblical support for the decision.

5. I told them about any writing procedure of the WT that support a decision to DA to a man who didn't want to be DA, and they told me that they didn't have any writing procedure that this decision was verbal.

6. I reply that this is a case in which the GB made a sin (UN&WT affair) and they punish me. They told that this is not the way that they see this point. I reply that I didn't believe in any honest JW that make a research in this topic and that could sleep with an honet hearth. They dindn't reply anything.

7. At last I told them that I understand them, but I didn't agree with them. They try to told me about a procedure to return if I change my mind, I reply that I will not return, that they are giving me another reason to believe that the WT isn't an organization that is searching the truth but only to protect themselves.

In all the talk I was nice and friendly to them, they told me that they can't continue being friend of me in the future.

They go away from my house very sad, in my opinion near tears. ... I used to be a good JW elder.

There's a lot more things to told you, but I'm very short of time. Sorry I will not make any other comment until weekend.

Ginosko

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faithful and discreet slave

by PRETENDER in

matthew 24:45 "who really is the faithful and discreet slave whom his master appointed over his domestics to give them their food at the proper time?

" these words were written and completed by 41 c.e.

this is after the outpouring of the holy spirit at pentecost 33 c.e.

Ginosko

Hi Pretender,

I agree with your point, in my opinion this is another hole in their beliefs.

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Diaglott says Logos was God

by Mulan in

i am posting this for another person on the board, who couldn't do it because of the posting limits here.

these are her comments:.

this is a copy of the 1942 jws emphatic diaglott!

Ginosko

Hi FrankRaven,

I was not trying to defend any position in this case. Only establishing a fact. In not qualified to argued about this topic.

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Diaglott says Logos was God

by Mulan in

i am posting this for another person on the board, who couldn't do it because of the posting limits here.

these are her comments:.

this is a copy of the 1942 jws emphatic diaglott!

Ginosko

Its true. But you also can read in the left column, in the word for word translation: " a god "

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The writers of the bible & Jesus

by Ginosko in

more than 20 years ago, before i baptised, i reached the conclusion that the words of the bible are not inspired by god but only the global ideas.

the reason why i reached that conclusion is based on hebrews 6:18 "through to unchageable things in which it is imposible for god to lie" and the title of a famous book written by the jw.

the idea i developed was the following: if there are things in which is impossible for god to lie ,then, by extension there are things in which is possible for god to lie, which is not proper for an ethically perfect god.

Ginosko

Hi Seddy,

I had read an electronic book of Flavio Josephus some years ago. I found a paragraph that talk about cristianity and I also remember that he talk about Jesus Christ.

He was an historian and as I remember he was not a christian. He lived near the first century and as a well educated person and because of his profesion, nationality and religion, he must be well informed. So I believe that this writings are an argument to believe that Jesus was a real person. On the other hand the letters of Paul are well articulate, he is even mistic, but at least in my opinion, John, Mathew and the other evangelist present Jesus Christ with a personality that atract people over all the centuries. Paul don't do that, he was more ilustrated. In this way the writing of the evangelist are superior to the letters of Paul. Therefore, I don't believe that Paul is the really founder on Christianity.

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The writers of the bible & Jesus

by Ginosko in

more than 20 years ago, before i baptised, i reached the conclusion that the words of the bible are not inspired by god but only the global ideas.

the reason why i reached that conclusion is based on hebrews 6:18 "through to unchageable things in which it is imposible for god to lie" and the title of a famous book written by the jw.

the idea i developed was the following: if there are things in which is impossible for god to lie ,then, by extension there are things in which is possible for god to lie, which is not proper for an ethically perfect god.

Ginosko

Hi Paduan,

What I really believe of Christianity is that is more important to live like a Christian that to have a good debate about any dogma. Christianity is an experience of life. But what I'm doing here, I hope, is giving a rational argument that is not that important a right interpretation. If humanity must need an absolute right interpretation, then Jesus would be the better writer of the bible and God would got a comision to him. The Father use fishermans to write the greek portion of the bible, because the more important thing of be a cristianity is the living experience. Do you agree ?