o.k just worked out how to start a new post/thread, just came across this and wanted to share with anyone that may be interested.. http://www.washingtontimes.com/news/2014/oct/20/idaho-citys-ordinance-tells-pastors-to-marry-gays-/.
coeur dalene, idaho, city officials have laid down the law to christian pastors within their community, telling them bluntly via an ordinance that if they refuse to marry homosexuals, they will face jail time and fines.. read more: http://www.washingtontimes.com/news/2014/oct/20/idaho-citys-ordinance-tells-pastors-to-marry-gays-/#ixzz3ibe4kyvq follow us: @washtimes on twitter.
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A pastor should be free to refuse to marry a couple for any reason. BTW I am in an interracial marriage. Pastors are there to listen and minister to people but also to say NO to them and recommend them a more suitable minister and denomination
I think this reflects more on the wedding chapel industry. A good pastor won't marry people who shouldn't get married and should stay in the couple's life to see how they are doing.
we're 2 years in to our exit from the witnesses.
we're not disfellowshipped or disassociated ... just inactive.
none of our friends speak to us anymore.
Its interesting that you brought up a foreign language club, because the Esperanto movement would be a relatively wholesome association for an ex-JW. It tends to attract a lot of idealists. Instead of believing we are going to live forever in paradise, it is the movement hoping for a much humbler utopia in which everyone understands each other because they have compromised to not force an ethnic or national language on everybody but instead speak a simple constructed language. It tends to attract a lot of nerdy Unitarians, Bahais, Quakers, and Freethinkers but very few if any Nihilists, Gangsters, Religious Fundamentalists, Racists, or Right-Wing Nationalists. It isn't the most beautiful or practical language but it is easy.
Don't worry about those well behaved toddlers. Yours has a higher IQ and can kick those well behaved ones' diaper
i have had requests to add an article about beards and jehovah's witnesses.
it is interesting that there is virtually no statement that says a witness cannot have a beard, yet universally they do not have beards.
i have scoured quotes from all the threads on jwn, all references to beard on the cd watchtower library, and copies of elders letters that i have.
Clean shavenness is so 20th century. Facial hair moves in 100 year cycles. We are looking at a bearded 21st century.
from the u.k independent newspaper :.
" the theories of evolution and the big bang are real and god is not a magician with a magic wand, pope francis has declared.. speaking at the pontifical academy of sciences, the pope made comments which experts said put an end to the pseudo theories of creationism and intelligent design that some argue were encouraged by his predecessor, benedict xvi.. francis explained that both scientific theories were not incompatible with the existence of a creator arguing instead that they require it.. when we read about creation in genesis, we run the risk of imagining god was a magician, with a magic wand able to do everything.
but that is not so, francis said.. he added: he created human beings and let them develop according to the internal laws that he gave to each one so they would reach their fulfilment.. the big bang, which today we hold to be the origin of the world, does not contradict the intervention of the divine creator but, rather, requires it.. evolution in nature is not inconsistent with the notion of creation, because evolution requires the creation of beings that evolve.. the catholic church has long had a reputation for being anti-science most famously when galileo faced the inquisition and was forced to retract his heretic theory that the earth revolved around the sun.. but pope franciss comments were more in keeping with the progressive work of pope pius xii, who opened the door to the idea of evolution and actively welcomed the big bang theory.
The Raelians seem to have it all reconciled. Jehovah is a spaceman and we were planted here by crossbreeding with early hominids. But the more I read about them they seem like the LBGT equivalent of the Nation of Islam. Not my scene.
Theredeemer, I think you would enjoy having some Rastafarians come to your house and do a Bible study. I should move to Washington or Colorado and start my own door to door ministry.
i would be very interested to hear from you ladies on this one.
i know that the society keeps women in subjugation through the headship cr@p but didn't ahve any sense about hoew prehistoric the attitudes are until the other day when we were driving out of the supermarket car park and my wife spotted a woman dressed in tight shorts (it has been very hot here) and she commented 'they say that women who dress like that dserve to be raped'.
i did a wtf and overreacted 'how can you blame the victim like that - such attitudes give men a lciense to commit rape and make women feel they are to balme if they get raped which in turn means that rape doesn't get reported and it gopes on with impunity.
JW women get revenge on JW misogyny by taking it out on their sons and husbands. I love to take that JW misogyny and rub her face in it. I still am the rightful spiritual leader of the house and she acknowledges this, but the price I pay for making that point is a thousand criticisms a day.
And to all you Islamophobes, JW is Islam without Muhammad, the Qur'an or any cool looking swords, and the Bahais and the Ismailis are more liberal than JWs.
from the u.k independent newspaper :.
" the theories of evolution and the big bang are real and god is not a magician with a magic wand, pope francis has declared.. speaking at the pontifical academy of sciences, the pope made comments which experts said put an end to the pseudo theories of creationism and intelligent design that some argue were encouraged by his predecessor, benedict xvi.. francis explained that both scientific theories were not incompatible with the existence of a creator arguing instead that they require it.. when we read about creation in genesis, we run the risk of imagining god was a magician, with a magic wand able to do everything.
but that is not so, francis said.. he added: he created human beings and let them develop according to the internal laws that he gave to each one so they would reach their fulfilment.. the big bang, which today we hold to be the origin of the world, does not contradict the intervention of the divine creator but, rather, requires it.. evolution in nature is not inconsistent with the notion of creation, because evolution requires the creation of beings that evolve.. the catholic church has long had a reputation for being anti-science most famously when galileo faced the inquisition and was forced to retract his heretic theory that the earth revolved around the sun.. but pope franciss comments were more in keeping with the progressive work of pope pius xii, who opened the door to the idea of evolution and actively welcomed the big bang theory.
Theredeemer, those are excellent questions. And it is better to have some of the questions than all of the answers. Calling God a liar because he told man what was appropriate for our level of knowledge in Moses' time is no different than us getting called liars for telling our kids about Santa Claus. What an arrogant judgment! Some kids hold on to the belief in Santa Claus even for a little while after their parents tell them there is no Santa Claus.
i have had requests to add an article about beards and jehovah's witnesses.
it is interesting that there is virtually no statement that says a witness cannot have a beard, yet universally they do not have beards.
i have scoured quotes from all the threads on jwn, all references to beard on the cd watchtower library, and copies of elders letters that i have.
punkofnice,
How about my anal hairs, do they suit me would have been my reply!
imagine you somehow got ressurected in paradise.
oh hell no nooooo!
life is one long convention.
Proof that JWs aren't the people of God
1. Clean shavenness
2. Kingdom Songs are so trite, that I know if i were Jehovah, they would either make me sad or make me feel like sending a plague.
3. Higher Education Forbidden
4. Unbaptized Children denied life saving Medical Care
5. Disfellowshipping
anybody remember hearing this?.
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is that comment in print anywhere?.
It's like getting a lobotomy from a small North Korean Medical College!
one thing i have always felt even as a devout jws was that some of the bible characters were probably scandelous like anybody else.
how do we know there was not a good amount of adultery, homosexuality, fornacation, drunkardness, wife swapping,etc; religous people always try to make it seem that some of these people slipped up a few times and was "perfect" forevermore until they died.
how do we know peter was not in an adulterous affair, or that paul was not engaged in homosexuality.
The moral failings of the characters of the Bible are such that it seems as if everyone in the Bible would be disfellowshipped if they were alive today.
