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  The mathematical probability of spontaneous order (no designer/creator)

  by Fernando in

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  there seem to be many prerequisites for life as we know it.. to name a few: order, function, compatibility, availability, sustainability, intelligence, consciousness, intuition and so on.. focusing on only one, namely order.. what are the chances of order arising spontaneously, by chance, with no creator/designer?.

  i have often pondered this and recently came across a mathematical summary of the big picture:.

  if every particle in the known physical universe (10^80 particles), participated in one trillion interactions (10^12 interactions) per second, for the entire 30 billion years of the universe's existence (10^18 seconds), then we would by now have covered only 10^110 permutations.. if you had only 100 components in a container, what are the chances that a blindfolded person could lay them out in order on a table?.

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  Define ORDER.

  Do you see order in these images?

  Spiral galaxy:
  

  

  snowflake:

  

  Kaleidoscope image:

  
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  Memorial talk

  by Gorbatchov in

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  it was a year ago we visited the kh at last.

  yesterday evening when went to the memorial for family reasons.. the memorial talk was very slick.. there was no mention about the early christian times, no mention about the apostles and disciples.. it was a present day talk only.. the ties to the foundation of christianity were totally absent.

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  My last ever memorial, a few years ago now, felt exactly the same as Data-Dog describes above. Cold, corporate, lacking any real warmth or spirituality. It felt perfunctory, ceremonial.

  Even on the most important night in the Christian calendar, the anniversary of Christ's death, the Watchtower simply cannot bear to give Jesus any real honor or glory. Most of the memorial talk is a brief and clumsy apology to their queer 144k doctrine rather than a stirring message about the meaning of Christ's death.
  
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  Jehovah God commanded the angels to worship the Son When change?

  by berrygerry in

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  jehovah god commanded the angels to worship the son, but he himself did not bow down to his son.

  jan 1, 1953 wt, page 23. when did this change (the nwt was already published).

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  Interestingly, this article on the carm website says the 1970 edition of the NWT still used 'worship' instead of 'obeisance' at Hebrews 1:6

  https://carm.org/heb-16-let-angels-do-obeisance-him
  
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  Memorial talk wt escape clause

  by prologos in

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  " --only those in the kingdom covenant were served the bread & wine by jesus--" ---false!

  this phrase switches from the forgiveness of sin part to the exclusive anointed club section of the memorial talk, and it is false because: the kingdom covenant was done after the passover was done.

  and the promise of thrones and judging israel in math 19:28 was not a covenant but an assurance.

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  There's more than 12 thrones Searcher. In any event, the 144k are clearly a subset of all other Christians being differentiated in scripture from the rest they are taken out of, since they are taken 'from' each of the twelve tribes. If not all are on thrones, then perhaps all are priests, as a parallel to the Levitical priestly class of ancient Israel.
  

  NIV:

  Revelation 3:21 To the one who is victorious, I will give the right to sit with me on my throne, just as I was victorious and sat down with my Father on his throne.

  Revelation 4:4 Surrounding the throne were twenty-four other thrones, and seated on them were twenty-four elders. They were dressed in white and had crowns of gold on their heads.
  Revelation 11:16 And the twenty-four elders, who were seated on their thrones before God, fell on their faces and worshiped God,
  Revelation 20:4 I saw thrones on which were seated those who had been given authority to judge. And I saw the souls of those who had been beheaded because of their testimony about Jesus and because of the word of God. They had not worshiped the beast or its image and had not received its mark on their foreheads or their hands. They came to life and reigned with Christ a thousand years.
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  Pretending Jesus existed and the Lord's Evening Meal is true... The Memorial is wrong...

  by HowTheBibleWasCreated in

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  jws celebrate jesus death according to 1 corinthains 11.. fine.

  once a year since it's on the jewish passover... fail... since thats tonight not last night but..... lets overlook that... jws from new zeland to london observed the memorial on april 2 by western clock... of course all in the western hemisphere did this on april 3rd wheevr the sun went down.

  thus a domino effect in the jw congregations took place starting at the date line going back to the same spot 24 hours later..... well this is pathetic in many ways... if the jws worshipped in spirt and truth according to john 4 (i'm an atheist ... i don't care) they would observe on jerusalem's time zone according to the gospels and 1 corinthians... but they dont....

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  JW's certainly do not celebrate Jesus death according to 1 Corinthians 11. All Christians were commanded to partake and all did back then. In the Bible there were no mere 'observers' rejecting the bread and wine as it went past. To say you are a 'true Christian' yet reject the emblems is absolutely laughable scripturally.
  
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  Memorial talk wt escape clause

  by prologos in

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  " --only those in the kingdom covenant were served the bread & wine by jesus--" ---false!

  this phrase switches from the forgiveness of sin part to the exclusive anointed club section of the memorial talk, and it is false because: the kingdom covenant was done after the passover was done.

  and the promise of thrones and judging israel in math 19:28 was not a covenant but an assurance.

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  The 'great crowd' is a parallel with all the Israelites who escaped Egypt through the Red Sea.
  

  The 144k is a parallel of the priestly or honorific class, the Levitical class, that was a subset of the escaping great crowd.

  In other words, the 'great crowd' is all Christians. The 144k is a smaller group of privileged Christians with the role of sitting on thrones.
  
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  Not on JWN: New Portuguese short film about a Jehovah's Witness child.

  by Balaamsass2 in

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  coastin': portuguese short film festival to premiere in new bedford.

  text size: a | a | a. print this articleemail this articlesharethis.

  buy this photophoto 1 of 2 | zoom photo +.

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  bttt

  only decades later I realise how harmful the JW obscene policy against birthdays harmed me as a child
  
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  The Bible Gods Word or Mans

  by azor in

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  i remember studying this book years ago and how it impacted my belief system.

  i no longer believe the bible is god's word.

  however i do have a couple of lingering questions on this subject.

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  If you believe in the Bible then you believe in an immoral God that committed or sanctioned genocide, amongst other horrible crimes (in the ancient past and will again at Armageddon in the future).

  If you believe God has the right to commit or sanction genocide, then basically morality does not exist.

  The only rational and enlightened decision then, as hard as it may be for you, is to accept that the Bible cannot possibly be true.
  
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  The Watchtower are Right About Blood...

  by cofty in

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  ... but, they fail to take note of one important detail.. i believe that if we are going to have any chance of reasoning with a jw about blood, this is the place we need to begin.. don't try to convince them that it was only a dietary law.

  it wasn't, and they will never go along with it.. don't tell them that saving a life is more important than obeying a law, even a seemingly trivial one.

  they take pride in obedience.

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  Excellent article here makes similar points: www.jwsrefined.com

  Quite simply, a blood transfusion cannot be wrong in God's eyes because the symbol that blood represents, ie, the lost soul or life, has not occurred.
  
  
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  The Memorial - New Covenant

  by lriddle80 in

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  2. beliefs

  so, i went to the memorial tonight.

  i've been out for about 10 years, but i went at my husband's suggestion to placate my parents.

  i listened to the talk and about 90% of what they said, i agreed with.

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  Satan isn't deceiving anyone. The ancient Jewish priests and scribes deceived everyone with scary stories about a blood thirsty, vengeful God in order to scare the people into obedience and submission, and to keep those tasty meat sacrifices coming in that only the non-working priests were permitted to eat.

  You've got to shed your mind of ancient superstition and fables.