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  So you're out - first thing you did was.....

  by wantstoleave in

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  did you 'break the rules' full force?

  did you go celebrate a birthday?

  buy xmas decorations?

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  chickpea

  first thing?

  i spilled my guts to my family
  all of whom had left earlier,
  telling them all the things i
  had learned on the pages
  of the JWD site about the
  rampant and raging hypocrisy
  of the b0rg, offered a deep, profound
  apology to my children, weeping
  copiously for my trespass against
  their lives for EVER having bought
  the lies of the b0rg and the
  harm it had brought to them....

  then i called the one "worldly" friend
  i had actually made and kept during my
  assimilation in the cult and told her i was
  out.... her relief was unparalled! her 89 YO
  mother had a one word response "GOOD"!

  never had to go on a bender or smoke
  or any of that other stuff, because i had
  already done it all before i drank the kool-aid...
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  Do you have many friends since leaving the bOrg?

  by AK - Jeff in

  1. jw
  2. friends

  i don't have many in my physical sphere.

  but the ones i have are good ones.

  of course we share no 'history', since i never had a 'worldly' friend until i left at 48.. in my cyberworld [and some would argue the credence of that] i have found many fine souls with which to commiserate, share, grow.

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  chickpea

  there are a handful of really close friends
  (which is actually all i am able to handle since
  i take my friendships very seriously)

  my social network, on the other hand
  is broadening monthly as i am actively
  expanding my horizons through schooling
  and social activism.... generating a lot of
  "hi, how ya doin'? " moments in the coffee shop,
  grocery store, library, campus, yada yada

  my cyberworld experiences have resulted in
  2 trips to UK where i have met 5 people; i have
  hosted 5 different people, 3 of whom were from
  abroad... mates, each and every one of the lot!!
  (got one from london snoozing on my sofa even
  as i type this!)

  membership in a national advocacy organization
  got me a trip to DC from whence have developed
  lingering acquaintances with of all sorts of people,
  from high school and college students to national
  executive directors....

  just recently i was invited to sit on the board of
  a local chapter of PFLAG... and i accepted, deferring
  placement til the end of this semester......

  friends? maybe not in the classical definition,
  but i am definitely not lacking in meaningful,
  fulfilling social contact
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  When Was The Last Time You Read From The Bible?

  by minimus in

  1. jw
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  i can't remember.

  i don't think about it .

  what a difference a few years make!.

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  chickpea

  i actually completed a 7 week bible study
  with a group of lutherans (ELCA) who were
  using an ecumenical study guide to investigate
  what the bible "really" says about homosexuality...

  i have to say my JW training had given me a
  greater familiarity with the book than any of
  the others, including the pastor, seemed to have
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  Why do you come to this site?

  by sinis in

  1. watchtower
  2. beliefs

  after all the years i have been here, i have slowly progressed to the point that the bible, god, and all the other religious stuff out there is just plain bullshit!!!

  yet when i first came here and was told by some of the members that that is what i would logically come to, i did not believe them, and yet they were right.

  i realize that a lot of people on this board have left, or are struggling with themselves or family to leave, yet many still believe.

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  chickpea

  the worst things that have happened
  to the life, the fabric of my immediate family,
  my children, are linked to the b0rg...

  it is imperative to deconstruct the façade of
  the b0rg, to understand how it was i could be
  so deceived, so manipulated in order to go
  forward with healing.... there are several
  brilliant people on this forum whose intelligent
  insights assist me beyond measure along that
  healing path.....

  the stories here.....
  oh, the humanity*

  knowing of the cruel and hateful behaviour
  sanctioned by the b0rg and enforced by its
  minions and learning of the effects it has on
  the lives of ordinary people has convinced me
  beyond all doubt that "the Truth" TM is as
  far from being even remotely true as the
  sunrise is from the sunset....

  it doesnt hurt that this site
  is a thorn in the side of TPTB....
  sorta the icing on the cake

  *(a nod to the hindenburg
  announcer herbert morrison))
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  yay!

  by cheerios in

  1. jw
  2. friends

  i can post finally!

  a great big hello to you all :).

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  chickpea

  welcome to the forum, mate!

  cheers

  c/p
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  How Much WT Literature is Still in Your Life?

  by OnTheWayOut in

  1. jw
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  especially those that no longer go to any meetings, but even those that still go- how much wt literature do you read or scan over?.

  blondie does her weekly study article comments.

  flipper started commenting on articles in upcoming issues.

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  chickpea

  i am amazed at how many nooks
  and crannies still harbor the crap....

  a brisk and brief round of "summer clothes
  storage vs winter clothes inventory" revealed
  a stash i had no idea was still clotting up my life!!

  i have two heavy boxes headed to the dump
  filled with untouched convention releases,
  dog eared and battered song books,
  bible story books, spiral bound isaiah books
  heavily studied, large study editions of the NWT,
  yada stinking yada .....

  just last week found an unopened WT-Library CD...
  sent it off to someone who was interested in it...
  
  i am not sure i will ever get all of it out of here,
  but i guarantee none that is found stays!!!!
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  What's in a name?

  by dissed in

  1. jw
  2. friends

  its friday, and you know what that means?.

  its time for the weekly tradition of sharing what your name means and why you chose it.. there has to be a reason, and it must reveal to us something special about you.. sure this post has probably been run by the forum before, but many of us are new here, and 'by golly, we need to get to know you all better.'.

  even if you are using your real name, why and the heck are you using it?

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  chickpea

  chickpea = cicero in latin

  someone in my life used
  chickpea as a nick for me
  and i came across the fact,
  in the roman naming system
  of tria nomina, cicero was the
  family name of the great roman
  statesman marcus tillius cicero

  cicero was a real player in the roman republic, intelligent
  passionate and dedicated to the preservation of the republic..

  i dont necessarily agree with everything he espoused....
  however, i think his was a rational approach to interpretation of the world
  as it was shortly before the demarcation of that which was/is BCE/CE

  i especially embrace his attitude of the role of citizens in politics

  The natural law is also the source of all properly made human laws and communities. Because human beings share reason and the natural law, humanity as a whole can be thought of as a kind of community, and because each of us is part of a group of human beings with shared human laws, each of us is also part of a political community. This being the case, we have duties to each of these communities, and the Stoics recognized an obligation to take part in politics (so far as is possible) in order to discharge those duties. The Stoic enters politics not for public approval, wealth, or power (which are meaningless) but in order to improve the communities of which they are a part. If politics is painful, as it would often prove to be for Cicero, that's not important. What matters is that the virtuous life requires it. http://www.utm.edu/research/iep/c/cicero.htm#H3
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  List of songs in new songbook and comparisons with old song book

  by truthseeker in

  1. jw
  2. friends

  i can't take credit for this but here is a list of songs in the new songbook and comparisons to old songbook.. .

  new song # and title old song # notes.

  004 - making a good name with god 037.

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  chickpea

  song 146 "Bitter apostates find joy with each other"

  damn! now i have that song stuck in my head!!

  loves me some ((((((bitter apostates))))))) i do!!!!
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  My sister died in a head on collision last night

  by Bumble Bee in

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  i still can't believe it.

  she was here for the bbq, we had an awesome time, laughing, her telling stories from our childhoods.

  i gave her a hug and told her i loved her before she left.

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  chickpea

  deeply saddened at this cruel turn of events...

  if tears would heal the wound, then these on
  my cheek could serve a greater good....
  

  godspeed all who loved this woman
  and now mourn this untimely loss
  to a place of manifest comfort....

  c/p
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  For those who accept the concept of "Race"

  by TD in

  1. jw
  2. friends

  --i personally don't, but it appears that many here unhesitatingly do.. for those that do, i'm honestly curious why you do.

  is there a rational basis for the acceptance of the concept of "race" that can be tested?.

  for example, here are eight people from eight ethnic groups.

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  chickpea

  DNA tells the story of the human family....

  basically, we are all "out of africa" with
  mutations of adaptation to climate and
  other pressures....

  we are the human race

  http://www.nationalgeographic.com/adventure/0508/excerpt1.html?fs=www3.nationalgeographic.com&fs=plasma.nationalgeographic.com

  https://genographic.nationalgeographic.com/genographic/index.html