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chickpea
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We have a new "purplebaby"!
by changeling inher name is jada marie.
she was born on 1/23/08.
she weighed 8lbs.
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Ian (Dansk) in hospital with CMV
by Alleymom inhi, everyone ---.
claire asked me to let the board know that ian is back in the hospital and expected to be there for about a week.. those of you who have been following the weekly vigil thread know that his cmv has returned.
the virus is not responding adequately to the tablets, so ian needs to be medicated intravenously.. please keep ian and claire in your prayers.. marjorie.
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Tricky situation - need some advice
by TweetieBird ini have a good friend that is cheating (with her boss) on the guy she lives with.
i keep telling her that she needs to either break it off with the boss or move into her own place and away from the boyfriend.
the guy she lives with is friends with my husband and me but there are things about him that are troubling.
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chickpea
exactly what gopher said.... if someone wants to know something about another person, that is who the questions need to be directed to
dramas escalate exponentially with each additional source added! just tell the guy " i dont do PR"
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Auxiliary Pioneer ya lazy B*$tard$!!!
by Open mind infor those who no longer get your monthly km, i thought i'd just share a little "encouraging" tidbit from the material scheduled for this week's service meeting (tm).. there's a 20 minute "regurgitate the paragraph" session entitled "pioneer or die" or something like that.
i can't remember the exact title right now, but it was one of the most blatant "beat the sheep.
you're not good enough" articles i've seen in quite a while.
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chickpea
i made the mistake of doing it once and never heard the end of it....... every "memorial season" the pioneers i had worked with that ONE time were all over me like white on rice to "get that pioneer spirit"..... def there is a class of "hounders" that wears appropriate and modest dresses
chickpea ( of the lazy b@stard turned apostate class)
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Stories; Who got d/f'd and it really shocked the congregation?
by jambon1 inany stories?..........
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chickpea
one of those deals where it could be said "oh how the mighty have fallen" except in this case it is how the sanctimoniusly pious had fallen....
a real hot-shot-gonna-marry-the-widowed-PO-as-he-is--my-intellectual-equal-in-a-sea-of-cretins pioneer sister who actually said from the platform at a CA " i like to puzzle my mind with deep thinking" when asked how she spent her non-pioneer time ............
long-time pioneer mom and on again/off again elder dad and a g/mother of the anointed but against all advice from "older ones" she left the rurals for the big city and in 3 months time hooked up with an older married brother in her new congo and was DF'd within weeks of that set-up.... word got around he was apostate and lured her out with sweet talk ( like what... "think for yourself" ?)
it was a stunning blow to the mom and her pioneer cronies, i really felt for the mom.... but the kid was a total air-head @sswipe and so frikkin uppity and all about herself..... if i ran into her today i wouldnt shun her for being DF'd, it would be more like running in the other direction not to have to hear her talk
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ex-jw lesbians / gays which religions / spiritualities did you move on to?
by Mizz.Eye ini am in active but i still attend conventions.
i love rode trips what can i say =].
my life has been horrible.
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chickpea
hardly a fluff piece at all....! welcome aboard
my 14 YO daughter has definitely opened my eyes and mind to the reality that there is a fluid nature to sexuality..... and she prefers, at the moment an orientation toward females....
as far as religion.... eh, that is not necessary..... but i DO hope she develops a spirituality that is generous and compassionate and expansive enough to embrace all the experiences that will be the story of her life
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loving multiples
by chickpea inloving multiples is about being friends with people who are did, what used to be called multiple personality disorder.
what is disordered, what is askance, what is forever damnable is the reason these splendiferous souls are so fragmented....... the horrific abuse foisted on them by the souless perversions of humanity that harmed them to their very cores, and beyond.
my beloved (((((snicks))))), a gorgeous junoesque brit with the flaming red hair of her norse ancestors, towering above me at 6 feet, whose inner system populates a castle... i had the rare and distnctive privilege of naming her 18 yo alter, she who held the music, who used her age as her designation as she felt undeserving of even a name to be known by ...... her 3 and 5 yos who sat with me on the parlour floor and learned to make balloon animals.... the 10 yo keeper of anger, the worst assignment in the system, because there is rarely ever peace for them in the swirl of chaos and upheaval that is the toxic residue of their moment of creation...... the sweet 8 yo who remained hidden for years even after the others were found.... who cried because i was leaving and she had not been "out" to meet me...... you cannot begin to know the joy i had seeing her laugh while i read her a book and did all the voices and animal sounds.
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chickpea
sparkplug.... i dont know what to say ......except yeah, mate..... you have not just circled the candle.... you have touched the flame
these people are so much more than their diagnosis....theirs is a deep rich and complex reality ..... if ever any of us think " d@mn my life is complicated",( and whose isnt!!??) imagine THAT intensity multiplied by a factor of "X" number of "others" vying for their voice, their place in the sun
some systems are so chaotic, some are amazingly organized.... some supressed by disbelief of the core/birth person, some with actual timetables and schedules for appearances..... some are co-concious, others dont even know all the others in their own system...... male and female in the same system, variant sexual orientations........there is such variety it is impossible to enumerate
further complicate the chaos with a misinformed or ignorant public, a debating body of "authority" undecided as to the legitimacy of your reality, and kooks willing to tell you ( and all who are inside and LISTENING) that they should "burn the demons at the cross of jesus"...... oh yeah! if it isnt like me or mine lets bomb it, shoot it, torch it, kill 'em all and let god sort 'em out!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! arrrgh!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
loving them is the easy part, summoning the patience to deal with their issues is what gets sticky/maddening/impossibly complex..... my involvement is marginal for most of these treasures, only one is actually part of my ongoing life... i live on a separate continent from some and know others only thru a support forum ..... i just offer what i can in terms of emotional support because there are no solutions, just strategies to cope
one shopping trip with my mate mentioned above, we split up and arranged to meet back at a certain time and place.... except she didnt show..... seems the 5 YO "saw" one of those chocolate fountains in a candy shoppe and just like sparkplug stated.... bam! a 5 YO in a candy shoppe.... i found my friend nearly half hour later, chagrined and flustered... seems the wee one called the husband just gushing over the fountain and the splendour of her surroundings and he "called" the wife back to herself ( after a treat was procurred for the wee one!)
imagine the nightmare of having a life..... and in late adolescence, coming out of an abusive teacher/student scenario, stressed in college courses, suddenly being told by an instructor they were taking you to an intervention facility because an alter ( a WHAT?) had sent an email about su!c!de..... how do you wrap your head around that?! finding notes to yourself from your "selves" ? learning that the you who you thought you were/are is NOT the birth person, not the core of the system, but a competent insider on the outside running the life..... (((((((((((d******))))))))))....... being terrified if you LET THE SYSTEM EXPRESS ITSELF YOU WILL DISAPPEAR FOREVER or learn about horrors of abuse so henious and evil that you are certain you will die from the knowing of them
it is at once a difficult and essentially simple concept to grasp..... out of one, many...... i do realize it is considered "a disorder" but it is also an elegant intelligence of incredible "order" that allowed for the survival of an entity that may or may not one day be whole again..... even as i sit playing a game or narrating a safe and cozy good night ritual of sailing to the shores of the dreamtime, fully invested in that moment and fully believing it is a 5 YO listening to the words, needing that moment of comfort...... always lurking is the realization that it was a moment of unimaginable, suffocating desperation and an unconquerable will to survive that allowed for such a one to exist
disfellowship THAT you pompous pox of a blight on the planet!! may god repay you in kind
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loving multiples
by chickpea inloving multiples is about being friends with people who are did, what used to be called multiple personality disorder.
what is disordered, what is askance, what is forever damnable is the reason these splendiferous souls are so fragmented....... the horrific abuse foisted on them by the souless perversions of humanity that harmed them to their very cores, and beyond.
my beloved (((((snicks))))), a gorgeous junoesque brit with the flaming red hair of her norse ancestors, towering above me at 6 feet, whose inner system populates a castle... i had the rare and distnctive privilege of naming her 18 yo alter, she who held the music, who used her age as her designation as she felt undeserving of even a name to be known by ...... her 3 and 5 yos who sat with me on the parlour floor and learned to make balloon animals.... the 10 yo keeper of anger, the worst assignment in the system, because there is rarely ever peace for them in the swirl of chaos and upheaval that is the toxic residue of their moment of creation...... the sweet 8 yo who remained hidden for years even after the others were found.... who cried because i was leaving and she had not been "out" to meet me...... you cannot begin to know the joy i had seeing her laugh while i read her a book and did all the voices and animal sounds.
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chickpea
The Society does not recognize this condition
yet another reason to dismiss the collective powers as wankers
it is without question an interesting circumstance to be the only mono-mind in a gathering with multiples, but i wouldnt trade the people or the experience for paradise on earth
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the unkindest cut of all?
by chickpea innever believing that a foreskin was a birth defect, i left my sons intact...( called genital integrity in some circles).
what, if anything, makes circumcision less of a mutilation than fgm?.
dont kill the questioner!!
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chickpea
dinah:
But they will pry my clit from my cold dead fingers, probably literally
get me that bumpersticker!!!!
adult males aside, the original query was about the practice of routine non-medical surgical modification of a baby male's genitalia and any rationale that would put it in the same category as female genital mutilation.....
BTW.... for adults making an informed consent to be circumcised there are a variety of 'styles' including but not limited to minimal, partial, loose, moderate and tight
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the unkindest cut of all?
by chickpea innever believing that a foreskin was a birth defect, i left my sons intact...( called genital integrity in some circles).
what, if anything, makes circumcision less of a mutilation than fgm?.
dont kill the questioner!!
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chickpea
dawg..... i appreciate your viewpoint for what it is ..... yours.... and thank you for sharing it.... but if i am correctly understanding you were circumcised as an infant and therefore do not have a reference point for a sexual experience with an intact penis
however, this article relates the experiences of >>>>>>
Men Circumcised as Adults
Only men circumcised as adults can experience the difference a foreskin makes. In the Journal of Sex Research, Money and Davison from the Johns Hopkins University School of Medicine reported on five such men. Changes included diminished penile sensitivity and less penile gratification. The investigators concluded, Erotosexually and cosmetically, the operation is, for the most part, contraindicated, and it should be evaluated in terms of possible pathological sequelae.( 1 ) Other men circumcised as adults regret the change. I play guitar and my fingers get callused from playing. That’s similar to what happened to my penis after circumcision.( 2 ) After the circumcision there was a major change. It was like night and day. I lost most sensation. I would give anything to get the feeling back. I would give my house. [This man’s physician persuaded him to be circumcised by warning he could otherwise get penile cancer. When the man complained of the result, the physician replied, “That’s normal” and would not help him.]( 3 )
Slowly the area lost its sensitivity, and as it did, I realized I had lost something rather vital. Stimuli that had previously aroused ecstasy had relatively little effect. . . . Circumcision destroys a very joyful aspect of the human experience for males and females.( 4 )
The greatest disadvantage of circumcision is the awful loss of sensitivity when the foreskin is removed. . . . On a scale of 10, the intact penis experiences pleasure that is at least 11 or 12; the circumcised penis is lucky to get to 3.( 5 )
The sexual differences between a circumcised and uncircumcised penis is . . . like wearing a condom or wearing a glove. . . . Sight without color would be a good analogy. . . . Only being able to see in black and white, for example, rather than seeing in full color would be like experiencing an orgasm with a foreskin and without. There are feelings you’ll just never have without a foreskin.( 6 )
After thirty years in the natural state I allowed myself to be persuaded by a physician to have the foreskin removed—not because of any problems at the time, but because, in the physician’s view, there might be problems in the future. That was five years ago and I am sorry I had it done. . . . The sensitivity in the glans has been reduced by at least 50 percent. There it is, unprotected, constantly rubbing against the fabric of whatever I am wearing. In a sense, it has become callused. . . . I seem to have a relatively unresponsive stick where I once had a sexual organ.( 7 )
