Think about it - FOREVER - forever....as in FOREVER !
It is just too long for me, I am afraid I will get bored after say, the first half million years or so...... But, hey! That is just me.
Gringa
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Does paradise still seem attractive to you?
by Hiddenwindow indo you think paradise, as depicted by the watchtower, an everlasting life praising jehovah and playing with what we now know as wild animals, not to mention cultivating a piece of land, is really a desirable place?
bear in mind that there is no reference to science and that personal goals are non-existent..
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When DA'd of DF'd ones give advice to DA...
by changeling inespecially if they are the militant, bitter type...are they wanting you to undergo the hardships they've been through?.
are they secretly jealous of those who have faded and have kept their family together?.
does misery want company?.
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I have been thinking of this thread and I have to say that I am ok with people being cowards. They gotta just save themselves, whatever it takes.
I still don't like people whinning and never getting off their butts to do something - what is that old saying? OH YEAH! Put up or shut up. Or was it - Sh*t or get off the pot? I don't know, I think either works.
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When DA'd of DF'd ones give advice to DA...
by changeling inespecially if they are the militant, bitter type...are they wanting you to undergo the hardships they've been through?.
are they secretly jealous of those who have faded and have kept their family together?.
does misery want company?.
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LOL - I think I agreed with you since the beginning of this thread.......
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When DA'd of DF'd ones give advice to DA...
by changeling inespecially if they are the militant, bitter type...are they wanting you to undergo the hardships they've been through?.
are they secretly jealous of those who have faded and have kept their family together?.
does misery want company?.
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Gringa
OK Dawg.....
Hell yeah, I was a coward for a LONG time! I was afraid of my mom. She is 80 years old now and a little old lady and she still scares me.
Finally when I was 24 and had been out of the cult for 6 years, I finally stood up to her. She was going on about why I wasn't committing to go to the memorial. I couldn't take it any longer - I said, I don't believe. It was a shock to her. She had been holding on all those years, thinking I had just strayed. That was the hardest conversation of my life.(it lastest 3 hours, but I won't bore you with the details)
Every conversation has gotten easier. But, she really doesn't want to hear what I have to say, she just wants to throw in little JW crap into any conversation that happens....we no longer have long talks because she hates to hear what I have to say and it works for me.Hell, she is an old lady - she has her meetings and her friends - good, keeps her busy so I don't have to.
I don't say anything now to my other relatives, not because I am afraid, but as I said before, WHY? I see no point. When my brother was dying of cancer he went back to the "truth". I was shocked but I figured "WHAT EVER". I don't care, he is dying. this is giving him hope and why say anything to him? Now, I say nothing because I don't have a reason. I left all of my JW friends behind, but if they show up - trust me, I will speak out.
I am no longer a coward........ but, I was for a lot of years. I read posts here and see a lot of cowards. People afraid to hurt their wives, parents, whatever, but truthfully, they are afraid for themselves. Well, fine, but I don't want to hear the constant complaining. Those just getting out are afraid and I accept that, but those that have been reading here and see the real facts and they still go back to the KH? MY GOD, I want to scream!
I don't comment on a lot of threads I read because, what's the point? If you can't grow a set of balls, how can I help you?
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Did You Stay In Because of the Fear?
by serotonin_wraith ingrowing up amongst jws, i saw the core beliefs as a threat.
be a jw, or die horribly.
but no one i knew ever admitted this, it was all about 'loving jehovah'.
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Gringa
Yeah - my mom "put the fear of God" into me...her words, not me.
I was afraid of her and of Jehovah.
How sad..... A loving God would not do this to anyone!!!! Love me and do what I say or I will kill you! I gave you free will but you damn well better use your free will to worship me OR I WILL KILL YOU!!!!
How on earth can anyone reconcile that?
It's sick, really, really sick.
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Did You Stay In Because of the Fear?
by serotonin_wraith ingrowing up amongst jws, i saw the core beliefs as a threat.
be a jw, or die horribly.
but no one i knew ever admitted this, it was all about 'loving jehovah'.
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Gringa
It is the carrot and the fear - - - what other reason is there?
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Gringa
Dear GG -
Welcome to the board. I am so sorry to hear you are going through this. I really feel for you. If I married someone and they turned JW or some other wacked out religion, I am not sure what I would do. Personally, I wouldn't even like it if they became a mainstream religion but the JWs are all so all-consuming, and pushy about their beliefs, as you know..... Gosh, I don't even know what to say to you.... only, I am so sorry.....
You may be tempted to join the group to keep your marriage together. Don't - only join if you believe. If you join to please your husband, you are going to be miserable and the hell you and your son will pay will grow 10 fold.
Hugs to you u ((((((U))))))
Gringa
P.S.... my lord, I am sad for you...... I really, really don't know what I would do.
keep us posted and talk to us if you need to. There are a lot of good people here.
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When DA'd of DF'd ones give advice to DA...
by changeling inespecially if they are the militant, bitter type...are they wanting you to undergo the hardships they've been through?.
are they secretly jealous of those who have faded and have kept their family together?.
does misery want company?.
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Gringa
If anyone actually went and DA'd themself begrudgingly because people on an internet forum told them to, then they have bigger issues than the witnesses.
Exactly!
People come here for support, we all share what works for us and those seeking answers have to find their own way.
That being said - I faded -really, I walked away - lock, stock and barrel. I choose not to DA myself because, frankly, when I walked away, I thought I was going to die in Armegeddon in less than a year. I saw no reason. Afterall, Jehovah was going to kill me anyway. LOL When he didn't, I had not heard from anyone in my congregation since I had left, they didn't give a damn, they didn't bother me so, why bring myself to their attention?
I have hardly said a word to my family about my reasons. It has worked for me, to date. Even with so many years behind me,. I do get tired of the constant witnessing I receive from my family that still speaks to me. I resolve it by DA MYSELF from them as much as possible. And, it breaks my heart because, especially, I love my nieces. But, I know they love me too and want everlasting life in paradise earth for me - to be with them - to live together forever.
They would be lost, if they didn't have the JW, it is all they have. Truly, it is all they have. I am not going to change their minds but even if I could, I choose not to because it gives them so much hope and happiness. If I took that away from them, they would be lost..
Every situation is different and when we all share, we can strike a cord with someone. If I thought I could better someone's life by getting them out, I would. I am not afraid, The longer you are out, the stronger you become and the more evil you can see. I
stopped my daughter flat in her tracks when my mom got ahold of her and started the conversion process. I was not going to stand by and let my daughter get SUCKED in. I find my strenght lies better in PREVENTIVE care! LOL
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When DA'd of DF'd ones give advice to DA...
by changeling inespecially if they are the militant, bitter type...are they wanting you to undergo the hardships they've been through?.
are they secretly jealous of those who have faded and have kept their family together?.
does misery want company?.
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Gringa
Blah, Blah, blah...... LOL I think it is funny that people come here for advice and when people tell them what to do, others say, don't tell them what to do! LOL Twilight Zone.......
I think some of you should chill on the advice on what to say and how to say it - I am a newbie here and I want to give my perspective:
Someone says I have a problem - help me
20 people post saying do it my way - all are different and all give a little story
The person who asked for help, reads it and takes what path they feel is best for them -
Done - period, over.
Yes, some people will be offended when you are blunt. Some will not see the seriousness if you are gentle. Some people need to be bitch-slapped out of the org, some need coddeled - there is a poster for every one.
I hate when you guys think your posting style is the best and tell the other members, basically do it my way - you are wrong. I have seen 3 threads here in the past 24 hours doing just that and no one has all the answers and I think that you can't say your style is the only way!
I have been on support groups on the internet for 10 years - I am of the bitch-slap variety and guess what? Over the years, I have had people tell me that I HAVE SAVED THEIR LIVES. There are other posters on my other boards that don't like my style - but guess what? Their pussy foot style makes me want to vomit but I know there are people out there that need that - I am sure they have saved someone, too.
So, what I am saying - can't we all just let us be ourselves? We don't need to conform, we have had enough of that in our lives. VIVA LA DIFFERANCE!!!!
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If not shunned by family, why stay away?
by 4mylove ini was chatting with a friend that is a very active witness.
lazy, but active.
i actually went to school with her brother but she and i have gotten very close these past few years.
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Gringa
For my own personal experience, I stayed away because they make you feel guilty and they never stop trying to bring you back to the faith. It gets OLD.....every topic turns into a sermon right down to which fast food restaurant is the best, somehow they can turn it around.