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  Society's viewpoint of other bibles

  by Zico in

  1. watchtower
  2. bible

  i like this quote, from page 145 of theocratic ministry school book about using other bibles.

  'you must realize, however, that some bible translators have taken liberties with god's word.

  their renderings may not conform in all respects to what was in the original bible languages.

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  gold_morning

  Thank you Mrs Smith!!
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  Society's viewpoint of other bibles

  by Zico in

  1. watchtower
  2. bible

  i like this quote, from page 145 of theocratic ministry school book about using other bibles.

  'you must realize, however, that some bible translators have taken liberties with god's word.

  their renderings may not conform in all respects to what was in the original bible languages.

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  gold_morning

  Funny this topic keeps coming up.

  I wish I was smarter to share with you what I heard this weekend. But you can get it on CD for about $4.00

  They had a talk on this topic at the "Witness Now For Jesus Conference" this past weekend. It was Friday at 2pm and it was given by Keith Walker. The title was "What's in a name --Pronunciation or Reputation" I believe you can get them from Blue Mountain Christian Retreat by giving the date and time of the speaker and his name. It is WELL WORTH ORDERING THAT ONE! It really cleared up the name issue.

  so it would be: October 20, 2006 (Friday) 2pm speaker: Keith Walker title: What's in a Name Phone# for retreat is: (570)386-2154

  It may not be available for order on line yet.

  gold_morning
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  Could a JW be disfellowshipped for lack of "Faith"?

  by JH in

  1. jw
  2. friends

  lets say that a jw tells an elder that he prays and nothing happens.

  then he tells the elder, that after praying so often and asking for reasonable things, i don't believe anymore that god answers prayers, because i was honest in my prayer and god didn't grant me what i wanted.

  i was just wondering if an elder could see this as "lack of faith", which then could be a good reason to disfellowship someone.. .

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  gold_morning

  ANYTHING IS POSSIBLE WITH THEM.

  At the "Witness Now for Jesus Conference" this weekend there was a testimony of a witness dying with cancer in the hopsital. The witness had a Christian nurse and before she died she accepted Christ.

  The elders found out............... and disfellowshiped her two weeks AFTER she was ALREADY DEAD!! Now you tell me they have not taken the place of Christ. Wasn't our judgement before the Lord when we die. There specialty is in casting stones...dead or alive.

  You can take every single scripture proclaiming salvation comes through Jesus and put Watchtower Bible and Tract Society in it's place. They say the correct words, but practice their own doctrine.

  Scary!!!!

  gold_morning
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  New World Translation Brackets!!

  by gold_morning in

  1. watchtower
  2. bible

  for what it is worth i wanted to pass this along.. we are all aware of those convienient brackets used in the new world translation.

  the infamous colossians 1:16....."because by means of him all ((((other)))))) things were created...".

  at the very bottom of the first page of their bible ...the foreword.... it says.

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  gold_morning

  Have you wondered why the importance of the "name game" wasn't and issue with Jesus? If it was so important he would have taught us to use it and it would have been written in Greek so that Jehovah's Witnesses would not be inserting the Hebrew name Jehovah in the Greek scriptures.

  When he taught us to pray...he said... Pray THIS WAY........"OUR FATHER WHO....."

  Father and Abba is indearing. It denotes a closeness and relationship.... or better yet being part of a family. Not everyone can call someone "father or daddy". I heard something interesting this weekend. The person who spoke name's was keith. He said say this sentence of his little boy speaking to him in two different ways. I forgot his exact example.

  "Keith, will you push me on the swing"

  or

  "Daddy, will you push me on the swing."

  You tell me which has a touching personal meaning though both are correct.

  Gold_morning
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  trinity

  by inactive in jersey in

  1. watchtower
  2. beliefs

  hi, i became inactive fifteen years ago.

  there is a lot that i just don't believe.

  that is why i left.

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  gold_morning

  Jersey,

  Mull over these for a little bit. They will get you thinking. Feel free to write me if you like.

  gold_morning

  God is Alpha and Omega Rev. 1:8
  Jesus is Alpha and Omega Rev. 22:12-16
  
  God returns to Mt. of Olives Zech 14:4-5
  Jesus returns to Mt. of Olives Acts 1:9-12
  
  The gospel of God 2 Cor. 11:7
  The gospel of Christ 2 Cor. 10:14
  
  Jehovah is Lord Dt. 6:4, 2 Sam. 7:28, Ps.
  18:31, Ps. 118:27, 1 Kings 18:39
  Jesus is Lord Phil. 2:11, 1 Cor. 12:3, John 13:13, Jude 4, 1 Cor.
  16:23
  
  ****God is Savior Isa. 43:3, 10-11, Hos. 13:4****
  ****Jesus is Savior Luke 2:11, Acts 4:10-12, Titus 1:3-4, 2:13***
  
  God is Creator Gen. 1:1, Ps. 102:25
  Jesus is Creator Col. 1:16, Heb. 1:2,10, John 1:3,10
  
  God is worshipped Ex. 20:3-5, Rev. 22:9
  Jesus is worshipped Heb. 1:6, John 20:28, Matt. 28:9
  
  God pours out Spirit Joel 2:27-28
  Jesus pours out Spirit Acts 2:33
  
  God is Judge Ps. 50:5-6, Rom. 2:5
  Jesus is Judge John 5:22, Rev. 2:23, 22:12
  
  God is Shepherd Psalm 23:1
  Jesus is Shepherd John 10:14
  
  God knows all Ps. 139:1-4
  Jesus knows all John 21:17
  
  God forgives sins Jer. 31:34, Luke 5:21
  Jesus forgives sins Matt. 9:2, Mark 2:5-10
  
  God sanctifies us 1 Thess. 5:22
  Jesus sanctifies us Eph. 5:25-26
  
  Every knee bows to God Isa. 45:21-23
  Every knee bows to Jesus Phil. 2:10-11
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  Have you studied "Church History" to know that Christians murdered many?

  by booker-t in

  1. watchtower
  2. bible

  i am a college student working on my ba degree.

  i recently graduated with my "aa" degree and i just fell in love with school.

  at 40 i don't mind going to school with 19-20 year olds.

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  gold_morning

  On March 12, 2000 the catholic church...from quilt... set the time aside to ask for forgiveness. History aclaimes that the catholic church was resonsible for over 50,000,000 deaths throughout history!! gold_morning

  VATICAN CITY -- Pope John Paul II on Sunday asked for forgiveness for many of his church's past sins, including its treatment of Jews, heretics, women and native peoples.

  It was believed to be the first time in the history of the Catholic Church that one of its leaders sought such a sweeping pardon.

  Dressed in the purple vestments of Lenten mourning, the 79-year-old pope addressed an audience at St Peter's Basilica on the Catholic Church's "Day of Forgiveness" for the 2000 Holy Year. He and his top cardinals grouped the past sins of their church into seven categories.

  "We forgive and we ask for forgiveness," the pope said in a clear voice.

  The pope's homily did not name groups or historical events, but prayers during the Mass were more specific. On behalf of the church, five Vatican cardinals and two bishops made a confession of sin, with a response from the pope.

  Vatican spokesman Joaquin Navarro-Valls had said last week that the pope would ask "pardon from God," not from individual groups who have been wronged.

  Sins against Jews

  Jewish groups had voiced hope that the pope would use the Day of Forgiveness to expand on the church's condemnations of Catholic treatment of Jews -- particularly during the Holocaust, in which the Nazis killed 6 million Jews.

  But no speaker mentioned the Holocaust.

  Cardinal Edward Cassidy read the prayer for forgiveness for sins against Jews, saying: "Christians will acknowledge the sins committed by not a few of their number against the people of the covenant."

  "We are deeply saddened by the behavior of those who in the course of history have caused these children of yours to suffer, and asking your forgiveness we wish to commit ourselves to genuine brotherhood," the pope responded.

  Rabbi David Rosen, head of the Jerusalem office of the Anti-Defamation League of B'nai B'rith, told Reuters the inclusion of a request for forgiveness from Jews in a Roman Catholic liturgy in St Peter's was "a significant step."

  In 1998, the Vatican apologized for Catholics who had failed to help save Jews from Nazi persecution and acknowledged centuries of preaching contempt for Jews.

  The pope specifically asked for forgiveness for sins against Israel. He is preparing for a trip to Jerusalem later this month.

  7 categories of sin

  The pope, bishops and cardinals spoke of seven categories of forgiveness: general sins; sins in the service of truth; against Christian unity; against the Jews; against respect for love, peace and cultures; against the dignity of women and minorities, and against human rights.

  "We ask forgiveness for the divisions among Christians, for the use of violence that some Christians used in the service of the truth and for the behavior of diffidence and hostility sometimes used toward followers of other religions," the pope said in his homily before the prayers.

  The words "violence in the service of truth" is an often-used reference to the treatment of heretics during the Inquisition, the Crusades and the forced conversions of native peoples.

  "For the role that each one of us has had, with his behavior, in these evils, contributing to a disfigurement of the face of the church, we humbly ask forgiveness," he said.

  No reference was made to homosexuals, who had asked to be included on the list.

  Women and minorities

  The prayer for forgiveness from women and minorities said Christians had been "guilty of attitudes of rejection and exclusion, consenting to acts of discrimination on the basis of racial and ethnic differences."

  The prayer for forgiveness for human rights abuses said Christians had not recognized Christ in the poor, the persecuted and imprisoned and had too often committed "acts of injustice by trusting in wealth and power."

  Referring to abortion, the pope said Christians had not defended the defenseless, "especially in the first stages of life."

  The pope said Christians had "violated the rights of ethnic groups and peoples and shown contempt for their cultures and religious traditions." A prayer mentioned sins against gypsies.

  The pope often has said Catholics should start the new millennium by seeking forgiveness for past sins, including those of the church. He calls this a "purification of memory" necessary for the church to move forward.

  The pope also said Christians were ready to forgive others for abuse suffered by Christians over the centuries.
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  Question: If you don't believe the wts as truth why still in FS?

  by hambeak in

  1. jw
  2. experiences

  i am puzzled, i see a lot of new posts from supposedly active jw's passing out new tract and don't believe it.

  i can understand still attending meetings especially if family is still involved.

  why not just fade away?

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  gold_morning

  There is an easier way!!

  Leave a old Watchtower at a laundrymat. Go about your business.....grocery shopping..errands. After your done with your errands stop by that laundrymat and leave the accompanying Awake. Whalla....and easy 3 to 4 hours.

  Seriously....I do remember when I pioneered that technique was used. We'd stop at an adult home and leave literature. Then we would take our morning break...drive on purpose to a territory that was far away and got to count the time. It got your time added up a little easier!!

  Anyone remember those days? .....................it's called...tricks of the trade!!!

  gold_morning
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  New World Translation Brackets!!

  by gold_morning in

  1. watchtower
  2. bible

  for what it is worth i wanted to pass this along.. we are all aware of those convienient brackets used in the new world translation.

  the infamous colossians 1:16....."because by means of him all ((((other)))))) things were created...".

  at the very bottom of the first page of their bible ...the foreword.... it says.

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  gold_morning

  I know guys....

  and lets not stop there. The orginal versions of the bible, or should I say the oldest manuscripts used the word....A-do-nay. Which means.....Lord.

  They acknowlege they took the 432 times Adonay was used in the Hebrew scriptures and replaced it with Jehovah in 134 passages. leaving Lord in 298 times.

  just a little more info.

  gold_morning Natalie
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  New World Translation Brackets!!

  by gold_morning in

  1. watchtower
  2. bible

  for what it is worth i wanted to pass this along.. we are all aware of those convienient brackets used in the new world translation.

  the infamous colossians 1:16....."because by means of him all ((((other)))))) things were created...".

  at the very bottom of the first page of their bible ...the foreword.... it says.

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  gold_morning

  For what it is worth I wanted to pass this along.

  We are all aware of those convienient brackets used in the New World Translation. The infamous Colossians 1:16....."because by means of him all ((((other)))))) things were created..."

  At the very bottom of the first page of their bible ...the Foreword.... it says

  "Brackets enclose words inserted to complete the sense in the English text; ( )the bracket suggest INTERPOLATIONS in original text.

  Wow....now if that isn't a million dollar word. INTERPOLATIONS!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

  So I looked it up in the dictionary to see what there purpose was in using this big word that the average person wouldn't understand. What did they want to cover up? Well..after looking it up I guess they wanted to hide that by puting in brackets they were...inserting material...to falsify incorrect material...by adding insertions. In Latin it means to touch something up.

  HMMMMMMM I always thought that to pretty much mean counterfiet!! just for your info...gold_morning

  in·ter·po·late (n-tûrp-lt) KEY
  
  VERB:
  in·ter·po·lat·ed, in·ter·po·lat·ing, in·ter·po·lates
  VERB:
  tr.
  

  1. To insert or introduce between other elements or parts.
  3. To insert (material) into a text.
  4. To insert into a conversation. See Synonyms at introduce.
  5. To change or falsify (a text) by introducing new or incorrect material.
  6. MathematicsTo estimate a value of (a function or series) between two known values.
  VERB:
  intr.
  

  To make insertions or additions.

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  ETYMOLOGY:
  Latin interpolre , interpolt- , to touch up, refurbish, from interpolis , refurbished; see pel- 5 in Indo-European roots
  
  OTHER FORMS:
  in·terpo·lation(Noun), in·terpo·lative(Adjective), in·terpo·lator(Noun)
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  Anyone Know About The PA Convention?

  by Sunspot in

  1. jw
  2. friends

  is anyone familiar with this upcoming event?

  or know anyone who attends?.

  i had "met" a few gals when i first left the wts (seven years ago) who talked about this convention....one was from western ny....but i have since lost touch with them and lost their email addies years ago.

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  gold_morning

  I just have to add one more thing to anyone who reads this topic.

  Many of us consider ourselves healed. I know I did. I had never attended the Witness Now For Jesus Conference before. I out finding a greater peace at a different level than before.

  If you have never attended I hope you consider going next year. It will be Friday October 19th through Sunday October 21st 2007.

  It is and easy drive....the grounds are beautiful. They use the Blue Mountain Retreat to hold the conference.

  There number to reserve a room is...........570-386-2154............They require a small deposit.

  Hope to see many of you there next year.

  Natalie (gold_morning)