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  TIME TO IMPLEMENT THE GARYBUSS PHILOSOPHY!

  by Dansk in

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  in view of what has recently happened to rozalyn (rebel) i believe anyone who is considering attending a judicial committee should take note:.

  i have always tried to love others from my own childhood upbringing.

  i have been treated like a traitor.

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  Gordy

  Hi All,

  Firstly I have only quickly gone through the above postings, as I'm a work at the moment. I will probably print them off and read them at leisure.

  But from the gist of it all if I get Dansk and Gary's view right. Is not to let the WT dictate to YOU. They seem to like to give this impression that they are doing it, either a JC, DF etc, is for YOUR good. By doing that they continue to have control over you.

  It came to me a long while ago what they where doing. Like some on here I have family who can no longer have contact with me, since I DA'd. My JW wife and two daughters have not spoken or had any kind of contact with me for getting on for 3 years now. When it happens you think "What have I done" but then you realise that you have done nothing. You realise the control the WT have is not over YOU but over those still part of it.

  I remember not long after leaving a JW brother said to me "You'll not be allowed to speak to anyone." I replied "No, I will be able to speak to anyone I like. Its YOU who will not be allowed to speak to me. You no longer have control over who I can and cannot speak to." The look on his face was a picture. Almost as if he could not comprehend that they no longer had any control on my life.

  So for the past couple of years I have not made any contact with my wife or daughters, I know about what they are doing through third parties. But I do not enquire in anyway about them. They know were I am and how to contact me. Strangely my wife has been in contact in the last month with my DA'd daughter, who she has not spoken to for 3 years.

  Coming home from church yesterday, walking towards me were a couple of JW's who I knew. So I kept on walking towards them. As I drew alongside I called them by name and said "Hi, how are you?" Well they didn't know were to turn. Cruel aren't I

  As someone earlier said nothing annoys them more, than they seeing you happy.
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  Smurfs Galore

  by Yizuman in

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  2. friends

  hey smurf lovers!.

  http://www.smurfs.com/.

  you jws in good standing had better not click on it!!

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  Gordy

  The fear of Smurf's seems to be a primarily an American thing.

  Here in Britain they weren't even thought about.

  I remember kids at the Kingdom Hall having Smurf toys.

  They were just considered as another of those irritating kids programs.

  Always wondered how a group of people who considered themselves "Jehovah's only true people on earth" etc that Jehovah was with them.

  Were frightened to death of a bunch of blue skinned little people, thought up for a TV show.
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  Do Any of Anointed live through Armageddon ?

  by Gordy in

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  2. friends

  i've been trying to get some information to clarify the above question.. we know the change in the 1914 generation teaching that occurred, in 1995.. what i want to know is do any of the anointed live through armageddon.. or according to jw teaching will they have all been taken to heaven before then.. i seem to remember back in 1995 when i was a jw having to review, with an elder, the district convention where the change on the "generation" was first put forward.. when discussing what we were going to say the elder asked what i thought the change meant.

  i said it looks like that the all "anointed" would be in heaven before armageddon happens.

  he agreed thats what he thought as well.. if anyone can give me some wt references to that thought, i would be grateful.

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  Gordy

  I've been trying to get some information to clarify the above question.

  We know the change in the 1914 generation teaching that occurred, in 1995.

  What I want to know is do any of the Anointed live through Armageddon.

  Or according to JW teaching will they have all been taken to heaven before then.

  I seem to remember back in 1995 when I was a JW having to review, with an elder, the District Convention where the change on the "generation" was first put forward.

  When discussing what we were going to say the Elder asked what I thought the change meant. I said it looks like that the all "anointed" would be in heaven before Armageddon happens. He agreed thats what he thought as well.

  If anyone can give me some WT references to that thought, I would be grateful.
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  For those interested...

  by Valis in

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  a mouse whispered in my ear today that the may km was around... sincerely,.

  district overbeer of the "faithless and indiscrete slave" class

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  Gordy

  me too been trying to get hold of latest KM's.
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  Having children ??? did the Watchtower have an affect on your decisions ???

  by run dont walk in

  1. watchtower
  2. beliefs

  i remember growing up and thinking that there was no way i would have kids ......... why ???

  ....... because i did not want to raise them the way i was raised, in the borg.

  i went through hell, why put a defenceless child through that.

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  Gordy

  I became a JW in 1971.

  Married a JW girl in July 1974 I was 23 she was 20.

  Had first child October 1975.

  Then had 6 more the last was in 1989.

  No JW ever said a word to me or my wife about having so many children.
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  Weakest Link

  by Gordy in

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  recently received a newsletter from usa, which contained this .

  on the american version of "the weakest link".

  contestant is asked the question .

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  Gordy

  Recently received a newsletter from USA, which contained this

  On the American version of "The Weakest Link"

  Contestant is asked the question

  "Jehovah's Witnesses publish a magazine called "Awake!"

  What other magzine do they publish?

  Contestants answer: "MAD"

  Oh! How close to being correct!!
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  Do you remember your last meeting?

  by freedom96 in

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  last meeting i ever went to was a memorial, 6 years ago.

  i remember it well, and it wasn't even my own hall.

  it was so boring.

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  Gordy

  It was Thursday August 19th, 1999. School and Service meeting.

  After researching the Watchtower and its teachings for nearly 2 years. I was sitting there when sudden;y after hearing the same message to "do more" on service, practically word for word for every other time I have heard it.

  I thought "What the hell, am I doing here! I don't believe this rubbish anymore."

  That night I said the usual goodbyes and never returned.

  I waited for the "Elders visit" after not attending. Nothing!! No visit, no phone calls.

  I didn't DA at that time because I have a wife (separated) and two daughters who are JW's. The wife stopped having contact with me by December 1999 when she discovered I had stopped attending.

  Then in September 2001, two years later !! Two elders came to see me, I wasn't home at the time. But they left a message saying they would return. I was mad about it. Two reasons, 1) One of the Elders lives about a 5 minute walk up the road from me, he was also my book study leader, never in two years had made any attempt to come and see me. 2) I knew that instructions had gone out from Bethel for Elders to visit "inactive ones" to get them back because numbers had fallen. So the visit was not based on any concern for me.

  I took it as a sign to finally break free of the Watchtower. I wrote to the Elder, saying if he couldn't be bothered to walk down the road to see me in the two years since I had left and that the only reason he had called was so they could get the numbers up, I didn't want any part of them any more. So wrote them my letter of Disassociation. Also enclosed about 20 pages of stuff on the Watchtower teachings etc.

  The odd thing is that this particular Elder at one time went "out of the truth" for about 3 years and KNOWS all about the Watchtowers false prophecies, changes in teachings, etc. How he lives with it !!
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  What is an Apostate?

  by happy man in

  1. jw
  2. friends

  "this is not a posting to point the finger at any particular individual, but to hopefully share some relevant findings concerning apostate operation with this board.

  the question of what constitutes apostasy, or rather what doesnt constitute apostasy does not proffer the obscure indeterminate answer that some opponents have assumed.

  instead, it is a keenly documented scriptural truth that pries into the heart and emotional inclination of all people whether mindful of it or not.

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  Gordy

  From elders handbook
  

  Apostasy is a standing away from, a falling away, defection, rebellion, abandonment; it involves teaching false doctrines, supporting or promoting false religion and its holidays or interfaith activities. (Deut. 13:13, 15; Josh.22:22, ftn.; Acts 21:21, ftn.; 2 Cor. 6:14, 15, 17, 18;
  2. John 7, 9, 10; Rev. 18:4)

  Apostasy includes action taken against true worship of
  Jehovah or his established order among his dedicated
  people. (Jer. 17:13; 23:15; 28:15, 16; 2 Thess. 2:9, 10)

  Persons who deliberately spread (stubbornly hold to and
  speak about) teachings contrary to Bible truth as taught
  by Jehovah's Witnesses are apostates.
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  What is an Apostate?

  by happy man in

  1. jw
  2. friends

  "this is not a posting to point the finger at any particular individual, but to hopefully share some relevant findings concerning apostate operation with this board.

  the question of what constitutes apostasy, or rather what doesnt constitute apostasy does not proffer the obscure indeterminate answer that some opponents have assumed.

  instead, it is a keenly documented scriptural truth that pries into the heart and emotional inclination of all people whether mindful of it or not.

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  Gordy

  Apostasy.
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  What is an Apostate?

  by happy man in

  1. jw
  2. friends

  "this is not a posting to point the finger at any particular individual, but to hopefully share some relevant findings concerning apostate operation with this board.

  the question of what constitutes apostasy, or rather what doesnt constitute apostasy does not proffer the obscure indeterminate answer that some opponents have assumed.

  instead, it is a keenly documented scriptural truth that pries into the heart and emotional inclination of all people whether mindful of it or not.

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  Gordy

  From the JW elders manual "Paying Attention to Yourselves and the flock"

  Apostasy.