Posts by Chalam

the study editionof the watchtower for september 15th 2010, p13 states "similarly today, a governing body composed of spirit-anointed christians contributes to the unity of the worldwide congregation.

the governing body publishes spiritually encouraging literature in many languages.

this spiritual food is based on god's word.

Chalam

Welcome elm!

Seems like you have a good perspective on things :)

Blessings,

Stephen

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God's Name Discussion

by garyneal in

several weeks ago, i was attending a meeting with my wife and i brought my king james translation of the bible with me.

one of the brothers came up to me after the meeting and asked me what translation did i have and i showed it to him.

he asked if i knew that god's name appeared in that translation and i said, "yes, psalms 83:18 i do believe.

Chalam

Dogpatch It's so irrelevant. The Christians were technically a cult of Judaism

To the Pharisees, yes.

that began to worship Jesus instead of the Father.

No, we worship Jesus and the Father, they are one John 10:30, Isaiah 43:10, Isaiah 45:5

John 5:23 (English Standard Version)

23 that all may honor the Son, just as they honor the Father. Whoever does not honor the Son does not honor the Father who sent him.

We believe Jesus is the exact representation of the invisible God John 1:1, Hebrews 1:3, Colossians 1:15

They PURPOSELY wrote the old tribal god out of their Bible.

The Father is still in the New Testament, just as Jesus is in the Old, God does not change.

They now worshipped their martyr, and applied hundreds of old Testament scriptures that applied to Jehovah, and NOW aopplied them to Jesus.

A martyr is dead but Jesus is alive and well :)

Hundreds of scriptures in the old testament speak of Jesus and the Father because they are one.

John 5:39-40 (New International Version)

39 You diligently study the Scriptures because you think that by them you possess eternal life. These are the Scriptures that testify about me, 40 yet you refuse to come to me to have life.

Luke 24:27 (New International Version)

27 And beginning with Moses and all the Prophets, he explained to them what was said in all the Scriptures concerning himself.

In essence, the old testament is Jesus concealed and the new is Jesus revealed. The old testament is principally about the law and judgement and the new is about grace and mercy.

Argue your hearts out on the details of the name, but you're missing the most primal and powerful point.

Agreed.

The point is that Jesus is God, was is and always will be. He was begotten, not created, always one with the Father, not a mini "god" that Genesis 1 doesn't even bother to mention in the events of creation.

Blessings,

Stephen

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Small ebay sellers, can you make it work?

by ballistic in

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hi guys.

i know there's a few ebay sellers on here, so sorry for the totally non jw themed post... but.... i am out of work at the moment and the job situation is quite bad here in the uk for it workers so i decided to start selling small items on ebay.

with uk amounts in pounds sterling, this is how selling a 99p item with 91p postage breaks down:.

Chalam

I have been selling records for 10 years on eBay.

For the low profit items you are going to have to shift a high volume of units to make some $$$.

I agree with slimboyfat, find a niche in the market if you can, something with higher prices and more profit.

Blessings,

Stephen

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WHO ARE THE FALSE PROPHETS TODAY?

by Dogpatch in

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who are the false prophets today.

by barbara anderson.

in 1991, one of the watch tower societys senior writers, colin quackenbush, told me in the privacy of his office about letters which the society had received from prominent and credible elders, not apostates (thats exactly what he said), who were concerned about the increase in accusations saying that jehovahs witnesses were false prophets.

Chalam

I find it amusing and ironic that JWs fit their own definition of a false prophet better than just about any other religion on earth.

The Oracle

Indeed, sad but true.

Blessings,

Stephen

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God's Name Discussion

by garyneal in

several weeks ago, i was attending a meeting with my wife and i brought my king james translation of the bible with me.

one of the brothers came up to me after the meeting and asked me what translation did i have and i showed it to him.

he asked if i knew that god's name appeared in that translation and i said, "yes, psalms 83:18 i do believe.

Chalam

JWs are school in the first definition of the word name listed here

Main Entry: 1 name Pronunciation: \ ' nam\ Function: noun Etymology: Middle English, from Old English nama; akin to Old High German namoname, Latin nomen, Greek onoma, onyma Date: before 12th century

1 a : a word or phrase that constitutes the distinctive designation of a person or thing b: a word or symbol used in logic to designate an entity
2 : a descriptive often disparaging epithet <called him names>
3 a : reputation <gave the town a bad name> b : an illustrious record : fame <made a name for himself in golf> c : a person or thing with a reputation
4 : family, clan
5 : appearance as opposed to reality <a friend in name only>
6 : one referred to by a name <praise his holy name>

— in the name of 1 : by authority of <open in the name of the law>
2 : for the reason of : using the excuse of <called for reforms in the name of progress>

However, biblically definition 3 is what God is talking about when He is describing His name. Here's a taster Exodus 33:19, Exodus 34:5-7

Blessings,

Stephen

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What's To Become of Adam and Eve?

by Cold Steel in

i dunno...in the back of my mind, i seem to recall that back when i took some lessons with the witnesses that they told me that adam and eve were going to be in pretty bad shape in the grand scheme of things.

or does jesus' atonement cover adam and eve?

they quoted to me the scripture about john the baptist where jesus says, "he who is least in the kingdom of heaven is greater than he.

Chalam

Cold Steel No offense to any believing members, but this sounds like some screwy theology.

This about sums up the WT, the whole of their theology is totally screwed from the foundations up 1 Corinthians 3:11 , Ephesians 2:19-21

The bible is not clear about the destiny of Adam and Eve.

Other patriarchs such as Abel, Enoch, Noah, Abraham and such are clearly in heaven right now Hebrews 11, Matthew 17, 2 Corinthians 5:8

John 10:16 (New International Version)

16 I have other sheep that are not of this sheep pen. I must bring them also. They too will listen to my voice, and there shall be one flock and one shepherd.

Ephesians 2:14-16 (New International Version)

14 For he himself is our peace, who has made the two one and has destroyed the barrier, the dividing wall of hostility, 15 by abolishing in his flesh the law with its commandments and regulations. His purpose was to create in himself one new man out of the two, thus making peace, 16 and in this one body to reconcile both of them to God through the cross, by which he put to death their hostility.

Ephesians 4:3-5 (New International Version)

3 Make every effort to keep the unity of the Spirit through the bond of peace. 4 There is one body and one Spirit—just as you were called to one hope when you were called— 5 one Lord, one faith, one baptism

What is clear that there is one flock, not two, one hope, not two, one Lord, not two, one faith, not two.

So, why concern yourself with Adam and Eve? They have lived their lives and faced judgment.

Hebrews 9:27 (New International Version)

27 Just as man is destined to die once, and after that to face judgment

Blessings,

Stephen

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My First Post.Thanks To ALL

by southern.finesse in

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i would like to start my 1st post by saying thank you.

to the site itself and to all the posters.

my story begins with me meeting the woman of my dreams 4 years ago.

Chalam

Welcome aboard southern.finesse and Little Imp :)

Blessings,

Stephen

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God's Name Discussion

by garyneal in

several weeks ago, i was attending a meeting with my wife and i brought my king james translation of the bible with me.

one of the brothers came up to me after the meeting and asked me what translation did i have and i showed it to him.

he asked if i knew that god's name appeared in that translation and i said, "yes, psalms 83:18 i do believe.

Chalam

I do plan to stick with my original point in that the divine name was inserted 237 in the NT where it did not appear in the oldest manuscripts. He may try to get around it anyway he can but in the end he must either admit or deny that assertion. If he denies it, then I need proof.

The NWT study type bible (I forget the official name) has all the insertions listed in the back and the original words that "Jehovah" has been changed from. Almost universally these are kurios (Lord) theos (God).

Any verses contain these words that relate to Jesus are generally left as they untouched. The WT certainly do not want things like "Jesus is Jehovah" to be rendered in the NWT, see here Romans 10:9, 1 Corinthians 12:3 or anything that would point to Jesus being God.

Blessings,

Stephen