Thanks DF!! Just listened. I forgot about that song. It's very fitting.
MochaLatte
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Did You "Linger" On As Witness Hoping That All The Pieces Would Fit?
by minimus inblueblades/mall cop said in a post that he was "lingering" on as a jw for decades hoping to understand things about the "truth" that were still unexplainable.
(my words, paraphrasing).. i did the same thing for probably a decade, either hoping things in the organization might change or i might finally "get it", regarding some teaching or viewpoint that just seemed to make no sense.. did you hang on to the "truth" much longer than you should have?.
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Did You "Linger" On As Witness Hoping That All The Pieces Would Fit?
by minimus inblueblades/mall cop said in a post that he was "lingering" on as a jw for decades hoping to understand things about the "truth" that were still unexplainable.
(my words, paraphrasing).. i did the same thing for probably a decade, either hoping things in the organization might change or i might finally "get it", regarding some teaching or viewpoint that just seemed to make no sense.. did you hang on to the "truth" much longer than you should have?.
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MochaLatte
I lingered on from 1995 or so for about 10 years. I like to think of that fan illustration the WT used to use about Adam and Eve when they said they began to die the day they at the fruit, but it took 100s of years for them to actually die. That's how my belief/faith went...got unplugged in NY but it took 10 years (and some "helpful" folks poking objects between the blades of the fan) to finally make me stop. My doubts started while I was at Bethel because of some things that occurred around me that were just not right. (Like let's say "hypothetically" that your Bethel elder husband commits adultery with some other Bethelite's wife, he somehow doesn't get DFd and you're left at Bethel to deal with the aftermath of that?) I felt it was wrong to doubt the process the way I did so I tried stiffling it until later several other things occurred around and to me that I could no longer ignore. I hadn't decided that the doctrine was wrong and I hadn't read anything against the organization, but I knew that there was something very wrong there and that I was not happy and just couldn't deal with it anymore. In the meantime I requested many shepherding visits but was only given the same generic advice, which wasn't very helpful. (During one of those shepherding visits a brother got up from his seat and got the bound volume to show me the article "You Are Precious in God's Eyes" before I had even finished explaining what was wrong.) Ultimately I was DFd for wrongdoing, but I was tired in every way of trying to hold on to a lifestyle I no longer cherished. I do wish I'd been strong enough to leave earlier so that I didn't waste more years inside, but I'm glad to be out now.
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Leaving bethel References ?
by leo999 ini would like to know from anyone who has left bethel .
do the brothers give the people leaving bethel an employment reference , and how is it worded ?
i would prefer to think that if someone is asked to leave due to downsizing , or restructuring , that the bros do everything they can to enable that one to find employment and cope outside .
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MochaLatte
Nothin much. Dreaming of warmer climes.
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Leaving bethel References ?
by leo999 ini would like to know from anyone who has left bethel .
do the brothers give the people leaving bethel an employment reference , and how is it worded ?
i would prefer to think that if someone is asked to leave due to downsizing , or restructuring , that the bros do everything they can to enable that one to find employment and cope outside .
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MochaLatte
I concur with leavingwt, that's the type of letter I received when I left.
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Funerals and Disfellowshipped Individuals
by lepermessiah innot to "hijack" dogpatch's recent thread, but the experience he relayed in the above topic struck a nerve and i was curious for more input.. http://www.jehovahs-witness.net/jw/friends/188715/1/my-aunts-funeral-at-the-kingdom-hall.
if there is ever a time when a shred of human dignity and compassion is deserved, it is at a funeral.. i am appalled by the way disfellowshipped individuals are treated, but especially at witness funerals.. the flesh and blood relatives have the right to be there if they choose.
if you are a witness and you are offended by a disfellowshipped person attending, dont let the door hit you in the @$$ on the way out.
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MochaLatte
The luncheon following the services was at a large catering hall. He was in line to have some food, and a couple of elders FREAKED out. They started saying that anyone who was in attendance could lose their privileges if they remained at the luncheon since the DF'ed person was there. (Supposedly the CO verified this - I have a hard time believing it since I dont recall it in writing) Sadly, the father of the young man went up to him as he SAT DOWN with his meal next to his mourning grandmother and asked him to leave. The young man left naturally embarrased and pissed off.
The part of the above story that made me angry is that this is likely what motivated the brothers to act to usher the young man out. Not the supposed cleanliness of the congregation, and certainly not the feelings of the grieving young man, but fear of losing their own positions in the congregation. God forbid that they should in any way jeopardize their positions! Experiencing firsthand the effects of this mentality was the last straw for me as a JW.
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Was There Any Song That You Regarded As Special, That Got You In a Good Mood, etc...
by minimus ini love music.
when i was a kid, i had hundreds of cassettes where i taped all my favorite songs.. some songs would give me the chills.
some would be so good, i'd replay them over and over again!
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MochaLatte
Living For The Love of You - Isley Brothers
You're All I Need to Get By - Marvin Gaye, Tammy Terrell
Say Yes - Floetry
Brown Skin - India Arie
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What's the best thing about no longer being a JW?
by BurnTheShips ini was thinking about how life has improved since leaving 3 years ago.. what has changed for you?
what's the best thing about no longer being a jw?.
bts.
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MochaLatte
Weekday evenings to spend any way I please. It has been nearly 4 years and I'm still amazed at having all these evenings to myself.
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Planned Ignoring
by rebel8 inthis technique is used by mental health professionals and teachers.
its basis is behavioral science--people do things because they get a reward of some kind (attention, etc.).
behavior.
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MochaLatte
I took this to be in reference to ignoring the folks who habitually attempt to hijack threads. I have often hoped to find threads where these hijacking attempts could be ignored. In one recent thread this almost occurred, but then someone began answering and then it seemed everyone had to join in and the thread went to hell. I would really like to see a concerted effort to ignore these folks. There have been really good threads that have gone south and it would be so great if everyone could just ignore those folks and not be baited. Of course, if this is not what you were referring to, rebel8, I myself have hijacked a thread. Damn.
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MochaLatte
I can only speak for myself. I used to sunbathe when I went on vacation somewhere tropical. I thought it was nice to be a different color (from light mocha to deep brown). When I was a child I used to spend lots of time in the sun and water without any sunblock and I never experienced any sunburn. However, more recently I have experienced sunburn even when using sunblock. Once I got very bad sunburn after spending an hour or so on the deck of a ship in South America without using sunblock, so I tend to avoid the sun as much as possible now.
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I think this camel's back is broken (the final straw)
by JimmyPage ini got home from work last night and guess what happened while i was gone?.
my wife tells me she called the presiding overseer to set up a time for all of us to talk about our premarital no-no's.. "really?
" i asked her.
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MochaLatte
Loosie,
That sounds crazy, but I know it's true. How did you not punch somebody? Just makes me glad to be done with it.