geez.
i sure hope you dont think i been hiding all day.
really, i havent.
Flower.
So you were caught saying things behind someones back and now you are pissed. We all understand now - thanks.
Calling someone a liar is disrespect - at least in my terms (or do you respect liars). At least have the guts to say so. You believe someone is a liar thats fine...just dont speak out of both sides of your mouth (cause that's lying too).
I happened to be in chat multiple times when schizo was there and all I saw was innocent fun.
thanks for calling this to my attention.
my reason for not wanting book material to be run on certain web sites is purely because of finding their approach out of harmony with my own principles and standards, so many are engaged in watch tower trashing and extremely negative.
some sites present material that promotes agnosticism and distrust of the scriptures, even atheism (one such site being in scandanavia).
With what appears to be his holier than thou Christian attitude one wonders what Ray's answer would be to the following question:
"Ray, who are more evil: the Jehovah's Witnesses or the XJW Atheists?"
http://www.jehovahs-witness.com/forum/thread.asp?id=18103&site=3.
http://www.jehovahs-witness.com/forum/thread.asp?id=18103&site=3.
regards,tina edited by - tina on 28 june 2001 6:52:50 http://www.jehovahs-witness.com/forum/thread.asp?id=7500&site=3.
Lilacs,
Thanks for the concern for me. I truly appreciate it. I am fine.
To be honest about my feelings I am not angry. Perhaps I am just showing a side of myself that people were unaware of in the past. Everything I have ever achieved or learned has been self taught. I will question everything and all values....there are no sacred cows or blind loyalties with me.
Do you sense anger or do I just make you feel uncomfortable? Are you easily able to answer the questions I ask?
Regards.
GD
http://www.jehovahs-witness.com/forum/thread.asp?id=18103&site=3.
http://www.jehovahs-witness.com/forum/thread.asp?id=18103&site=3.
regards,tina edited by - tina on 28 june 2001 6:52:50 http://www.jehovahs-witness.com/forum/thread.asp?id=7500&site=3.
I for one did not like Tina's behavior (I am sure many do not like mine).
But Tina was provoked. If you have a container full of gasoline - do you light a match near it? If you do, and it explodes in your face, where is the fault? With the match or with the gasoline?
Just because others may not have cussed at Tina does not mean they weren't always there with the knife. Tina's responses and the responses of others were equally out of line (IMO).
So just because Tina was the one who was "visible" in the storm of bullshit does not (IMO) mean she should have been the one to get the warning and the boot. Sure we can make the lame excuses such as "she was warned". But why weren't her provokers warned? They know who they are. If you knew she was having a tough time and you knew she was likely to explode, then why didn't you leave her alone?
Simple answer is: YOU WANTED HER TO TOTALLY SELF DESTRUCT. Well she did. You achieved your objective. Tina is gone. Does that mean you are the winner? Does that mean Tina was the cause of the problem? Does that mean you are innocent?
Just how stupid do you think we are? What goes around comes around. One day you might be needing help. Don't look to me for it. Someone might just have big boots on when they stand on your face!!
rename god for what he means to you.
would he be just, joe, so pal?.
would you give him a derragatory name?.
Tinkerbell
thanks for calling this to my attention.
my reason for not wanting book material to be run on certain web sites is purely because of finding their approach out of harmony with my own principles and standards, so many are engaged in watch tower trashing and extremely negative.
some sites present material that promotes agnosticism and distrust of the scriptures, even atheism (one such site being in scandanavia).
I have benefitted far more from the work done by Janh and Kent than Ray Franz.
Ray might show the hypocrisy...Kent and Janh show people how to THINK!!!
thanks for calling this to my attention.
my reason for not wanting book material to be run on certain web sites is purely because of finding their approach out of harmony with my own principles and standards, so many are engaged in watch tower trashing and extremely negative.
some sites present material that promotes agnosticism and distrust of the scriptures, even atheism (one such site being in scandanavia).
Ray Franz believes the Bible is the word of God. One statement from him on this board would bolster the hearts of many xJWs who have left the Watchtower but still believe in the Bible or in God.
One statement of support. One word of a helping hand.This he has chosen not to give. Why?
I hope he will soon speak out!
Newsflah: Ray Franz shit stinks just like the atheists!! Why do you need him to bolster your views? Are you that insecure in them? Perhaps try and "think for yourself"...at least then you won't be dependent on the sayings of another person.
hey, jehovah the god of jws gets trashed big time here, he gets called all kinds of names, he gets his face rubbed in the gutter all the time.
now, this is somebody's god!
but no matter, it is allowed!.
I believe (perhaps erroneously) that I can insult your views but not insult you.
Of course these are fuzzy lines because they all depend on definitions. Like what is a "person"? Is a "person" equal to the sum of their views? some might believe that definition I don't - hence the reason I feel I can freely express myself on peoples views.
So when I say something like I did in the thread about the "coming of the lord" that may be something you don't like but its not directed at YOU or meant to belittle YOU.
Otherwise, people who have views that sinners are going to be destroyed because they are evil....using that logic I could come up with an equal argument that they are insulting me because they have a particular opposing view. It is possible to attack (ok strong word so let's say "come into conflict with") each others ideas and opinions...but NOT attack the other person. This is one of the differences between idea differences and name calling. Name calling is personal but "idea wars" are part of growth...challenge your ideas and grow.
If it gets to the point that we cannot go after ideas (any ideas - including the idea of God) then this place will be rid of me (and you can all have a party).
i raised this briefly in chat earlier today and i expect a similar response to this thread.. my opinion is that if you are religious/spiritual then you are mentally ill.
RW,
I lied. At the time I posted I thought this would get somewhere but it can't. I respect Perry and 5 Gospels for their sincerity but this discussion probably should not have been started since liike the abortion debate it won't ever reach a conclusion.
I won't change my views and nor will they. They argue from a belief system (one requiring faith) and I seek evidence for everything I base my life on. Two different paths...maybe overlapping outcomes.
I wish you all well. Perhaps I will see the light or pehaps they will.
Time will tell, won't it?
hey, jehovah the god of jws gets trashed big time here, he gets called all kinds of names, he gets his face rubbed in the gutter all the time.
now, this is somebody's god!
but no matter, it is allowed!.
So for people who worhship "everything" or who feel God (sorry god) is omnipresent are we not allowed to dislike anythging for fear of offending them.
Sounds like someone has their tit caught in the ringer to me...
