Posts by processor

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WT: World War I started in October 1914 (not July 1914)

by Calebs Airplane in

according to the wt, these are the actual sequence of events that led to the start of world war i:.

1) the gentile times ended on october 1/2, 1914.

2) jesus took the throne immediately thereafter.. 3) one of jesus' first tasks as the newly enthroned king was to engage in a heavenly war against satan and his demons.. 4) having won the war against satan and his demons, jesus expelled satan and his demons from the heavenly realm giving them only terrestial access.. 5) since satan is a sore loser, he became extremely bitter and decided to wreak havoc upon all the earth.. 6) filled with anger, satan then provoked the nations of the earth into a 4 year bloody battle known today as world war i. so there you have it... wwi started sometime in october of 1914 (not july 1914 as history books would have you believe).

processor

the simplest solution would be that Russell, after wavering for several months about whether this was truly a big one ( "The Great War"), finally decided he had hit the jackpot and published a proclamation accordingly, figuring like Publications Clearing House "You may already have won!"

Wasn't this idea (that Satan was cast out of heaven in 1914) only invented in the 1920s? After all, the Bible Students foretold Armageddon for 1914, not a war, and later they claimed that instead of "early October 1914" it would be "soon after 1914".

The statement "We were right with 1914 but wrong about what would happen" was made later AFAIK.

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WT: World War I started in October 1914 (not July 1914)

by Calebs Airplane in

according to the wt, these are the actual sequence of events that led to the start of world war i:.

1) the gentile times ended on october 1/2, 1914.

2) jesus took the throne immediately thereafter.. 3) one of jesus' first tasks as the newly enthroned king was to engage in a heavenly war against satan and his demons.. 4) having won the war against satan and his demons, jesus expelled satan and his demons from the heavenly realm giving them only terrestial access.. 5) since satan is a sore loser, he became extremely bitter and decided to wreak havoc upon all the earth.. 6) filled with anger, satan then provoked the nations of the earth into a 4 year bloody battle known today as world war i. so there you have it... wwi started sometime in october of 1914 (not july 1914 as history books would have you believe).

processor

I had some correspondence with the WTS about this issue. Actually I asked why the "Seven Times" should start with the murder of Gedaliah and NOT with the displacement of Zedekiah - since Zedekiah was the last king, so it would be logical to have "7 times" from Zedekiah - not Gedaliah - to Jesus. I also mentioned the issue with WW1 - because if they would count the 7 times from Zedekiah's displacement, the seven times would end BEFORE the war started. Their replies were nonsense though; first they wrote why the 70 weeks started after Gedaliah's murder (but the question was about the 7 times and not about the seventy weeks); on 2nd attempt they replied that it was always stood like that in the Watchtower and that's why it must be correct.

Anyway ... yes, the official JW doctrine says:

- in October 1914, the seven times ended and Jesus was enthroned. At that time, a war started in heaven

- LATER, when this war was over, Satan was cast out of heaven

- THEN Satan started to stir up the rulers so that they would start the war

- THEN the war started

But, the war started in July ...

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Dionysus/Jesus myths - Which came first?????

by everchangingworld in

for those of you who have already done research on this, have you been able to find information that proves jesus was based on dionysus?

do we have proof that any of the following was written prior to 1st century: dionysus turning water into wine, born of a virgin mortal, sent by zeus to save mankind, dead and resurrected (or any of the other parallels).. note: i'm agnostic/atheist, but i'm still curious about the historical details.

was dionysus based on jesus, or is it the other way around????

processor

The Jesus myth was written in the 1st or 2nd century while the mentioned Dionysus myth was written in the 19th or 20th century.

This is likely similar to that Horus thing in the Zeitgeist movie. Sounding nice, but being outstanding nonsense.

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Post a picture of the Faithful and Discreet Slave!

by cedars in

yes, we can call them that now, without fear of being disfellowshipped for apostasy.. .

http://www.jw.org/en/news/events-activities/annual-meeting-report-2012/.

http://jwsurvey.org/cedars-blog/governing-body-says-we-are-the-faithful-and-discreet-slave.

processor

This picture covers all FDS members:

This is how they look like in field service:

This is how the magazines are written:

This is the Annual Meeting:

And here are the new Kingdom Melodies:

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Any differences between WT articals?

by alfredjones100 in

has anyone found differences between watchtower articles found in bound volumes and its corresponding one in the watchtower cd?.

or between different versions of the watchtower cd's..

processor

There have alwys been various dicussions about this. It seems that the CDs always contain the latest printed version. Some of the articles were altered in the bound volumes or other reprints, and in this case the new version is on the CD. Also for the books, the CD always contains the latest version.

So far, no one has found an article that has been changed specifically for the CD - where the CD would be different from any printed version.

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Great quote from the brochure "road to life"

by lostinthought in

i don't know if anyone has ever posted this beautiful gem of a paragraph but page 25 paragraph 3 states:.

3 if that happens to you, how will you react?

many people know that their way of worship is wrong, yet they hesitate to break free from it.

processor

This brochure doesn't even exist in German (though it was published in English in 2002). So much for the worldwide unity.

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Watchtower drops the name "Sparlock" from new kids DVD......say hello to "MITADOOR."

by Witness 007 in

at my moms i watched the video in croatian and as i waited for the now famous "sparlock" line...it was replaced by "mitadoor.

" there is no grammatical reason why they cant use the name sparlock....perhaps for legal reasons as a company has that name....and ofcourse you guys made it famous on youtube!

!.

processor

In German it's "Sator" (somewhat similar to "Satan" and "Thor").

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The WTS use of internet has dramatically changed

by Gorbatchov in

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since when is the so called "new light" (about the fds) published on the news-section of the officially website jw.org instead of in the study edition of the watchtower?

the wts use of internet has dramatically changed.

strange effect of this new "marketing" policy is that the annual meeting news at jw.org only available is for english speaking people with a computer and an internet connection.

processor

Well, nothing has really changed.

Previously, the "new light" was published first on JWN - also "only available for English speaking people with a computer and an internet connection". Like with the FDS doctrine change, they only made the status quo official.

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January 2013 Watchtower. Interesting comment re 6000 years

by alanv in

just had a quick read through the new 16 page edition of the watchtower, and noticed an article about able who was adam's son.

the article said in part.

abel speaks to you today.

processor

was I a complete heretic

No. Current doctrine is that the "creative days" may have lasted "considerable lengths of time." (Was Life Created, p. 26) " The Bible’s creative days allow for thousands of years of time each. Further, the earth was already in existence before the creative days began." (Awake! Jun 8 2002, p. 10)

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Bible Teach Artwork Change for 2012

by toweragent in

did anyone else notice the artwork change on page 12 and on page 83?

im new to this and cannot get the pictures to upload....but if you have a copy of the book and compare it with the pdf online, there is definitely a change.. what qould cause them to to this?.

i would be interesting to see if there were any changes to the wording of the paragraphs.

processor

Interestingly, the German "2012 printing" edition contains the original text on page 84. Mentioning that the Bible Students were right only in the 19th century ;)