Posts by Greenpalmtreestillmine

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The Global Flood

by coldfish in

i've just read an intersting article on the flood to do with dates and whether is was truly global or a regional flood.. http://www.commentarypress.com/essay-flood.html.

my father used to be an elder for many years and the flood was one of the things that made him walk away not just from the jw but also belief in the bible.

he was hung up on issues like the flood taking place about 3500 bc and how that fit in with the pyramids.. i don't know much about egyptian history or the ages of the big pyramids, but his reasoning was if the flood wiped out every human on earth except noah etc then at 3500 bc there were only 8 people on earth.

Greenpalmtreestillmine

Norm,

Wow! Must have hit a nerve there huh?

No, you said something that was not true.

Unfortunately I can't be responsible for your reading skills dear.

That comment makes you sound arrogant Norm, your reply drips with it. It's not fair to you yourself I'm sure.

But I recommend that you read what I said one more time, then sit down and make a well thought out post
where you might try to point out to me what isn't true and why it isn't.

Others might have said, "you misunderstood me" or something to that effect but you give Papa-like instructions as if you are the instructor standing before a bunch of children. "I recommend that you read what I said one more time.....then sit down.... and make a well thought out post...." Very silly Norm. Why do you write like that? It makes you look arrogant. Most likely off the board you're a nice fellow not anything like what you sound here. I hope so anyway.

Try to spot and identify the alleged "blanket statement".

You wrote: "By it's claim to be the only true religion, arrogance,
intolerance and discrimination against all non Christians are simply an integrated part of
the religion itself."

This is not true. You paint with a broad brush Norm because you want to not because it's true. Tolerance and acceptance of another's religious beliefs is very alive in Christianity, as you must know. Christianity includes many diverse churches and cultures. Christianity is not homogeneous, it cannot be put in a box and labeled as easily as you have tried. There are many Christian faiths and churches and Christian individuals involved in inter-faith work, respecting the beliefs of their religious partners, their fellow worshippers of God who worship in their own non-Christian tradition.

You also wrote: "Such an extreme attitude came with the ideology of Monotheism and can
actually be called a kind of antireligion."

Monotheistic religions hold no exclusive rights to the ills you claim are such an integrated part of Christianity. Polytheistic religions are just as capable of harboring those ills. It is not the religion so much Norm as the individuals. Individuals within every religion are capable of being the worst they can be and the best they can be. All people are.

Perhaps though there are some who have continued to evolve beyond the general population on the earth and they have the ability to see what the rest of us cannot. Perhaps.....but then again perhaps not.

Have a great New Years, Norm.

Sabrina

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The Global Flood

by coldfish in

i've just read an intersting article on the flood to do with dates and whether is was truly global or a regional flood.. http://www.commentarypress.com/essay-flood.html.

my father used to be an elder for many years and the flood was one of the things that made him walk away not just from the jw but also belief in the bible.

he was hung up on issues like the flood taking place about 3500 bc and how that fit in with the pyramids.. i don't know much about egyptian history or the ages of the big pyramids, but his reasoning was if the flood wiped out every human on earth except noah etc then at 3500 bc there were only 8 people on earth.

Greenpalmtreestillmine

Norm wrote:

By it's claim to be the only true religion, arrogance,
intolerance and discrimination against all non Christians are simply an integrated part of
the religion itself. Such an extreme attitude came with the ideology of Monotheism and can
actually be called a kind of antireligion.

This is one of the most silliest and non-sensical things I have read in a long time.

To throw everyone together and claim Christians are some big bad bogeyman is childish. It is not balanced and not the truth. As soon as someone starts talking in an "us verses them"manner and making blanket statements about large groups of people they reveal their true intent. Which is not to speak the truth but rather to manipulate. Very sad indeed.

Sabrina

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The Global Flood

by coldfish in

i've just read an intersting article on the flood to do with dates and whether is was truly global or a regional flood.. http://www.commentarypress.com/essay-flood.html.

my father used to be an elder for many years and the flood was one of the things that made him walk away not just from the jw but also belief in the bible.

he was hung up on issues like the flood taking place about 3500 bc and how that fit in with the pyramids.. i don't know much about egyptian history or the ages of the big pyramids, but his reasoning was if the flood wiped out every human on earth except noah etc then at 3500 bc there were only 8 people on earth.

Greenpalmtreestillmine

a Christian,

I've followed this discussion and there is one thing I would like to tell you, thank you. You've given me some food for thought on Genesis and I truly appreciate it. But you have done something else which I appreciate even more. You have calmly and patiently defended your faith in the face of ridicule and falacious accusations. A Christian you certainly are, brother. This is not going unnoticed. Thank you.

Gumby,

Paul said to Peter...."Get behind me Satan". Did Peter complain he was attacked by Paul, or did he realise Paul was expressing his dislike of Peters ideas?

Paul did not tell Peter, "Get behind me Satan" that was Jesus who said that.

Sabrina

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ExJW teens: sex and drugs and alcohol

by Greenpalmtreestillmine in

jw
friends

exjw teens....how do we handle the sex and drug problems that come up.

not much is said here about exjw teenage pregnancies or other problems such as contraceptives and ex jw teens, or drugs and alcohol and exjw teens.

did your teenage kids have a problem with sex and drugs after you and your teens left the watchtower?

Greenpalmtreestillmine

ExJW teens....how do we handle the sex and drug problems that come up. Not much is said here about exJW teenage pregnancies or other problems such as contraceptives and ex JW teens, or drugs and alcohol and exJW teens. Did your teenage kids have a problem with sex and drugs after you and your teens left the Watchtower? If so, how did you handle it? If not, what did you do to prevent it?

Any advice for those exJW parents who are trying to survive between a rock and a hard place?

I would appreciate any input on this. Thank you very much!!!!

Sabrina

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Do JWs really grieve?

by undercover in

jw
friends

a strange thing happened to me while watching a television movie on the life of the late nascar star dale earnhardt; i got choked up remembering a close family member who died at an early age.. .

for those of you who aren't familar with earnhardt, his father died when dale was a young man and this movie portrayed him pretty much living his entire life trying to live up to his father's ideals.

of course he died on the race track having some of the same issues with his own son, now a superstar on the track.. .

Greenpalmtreestillmine

I don't really see JWs as any different in this circumstance than other Christians. Christians believe in an afterlife and that hope comforts them. JWs believe they will see their loved ones in the new system, most other Christians believe they will see their loved ones in heaven. But they all grieve and they all miss their loved ones dearly.

This is natural.

Sabrina

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Do JWs really grieve?

by undercover in

jw
friends

a strange thing happened to me while watching a television movie on the life of the late nascar star dale earnhardt; i got choked up remembering a close family member who died at an early age.. .

for those of you who aren't familar with earnhardt, his father died when dale was a young man and this movie portrayed him pretty much living his entire life trying to live up to his father's ideals.

of course he died on the race track having some of the same issues with his own son, now a superstar on the track.. .

Greenpalmtreestillmine

I've been to funerals of JW children, mothers, husbands, old and young. JWs do grieve. They grieve as hard and as long as any other Christian.

Sabrina

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Commentary Press - Trinity

by Greenpalmtreestillmine in

there's a new essay on commentary press discussing the trinity.

http://www.commentarypress.com/eng-onetruegod.html .

for any interested in that topic.

Greenpalmtreestillmine

There's a new essay on Commentary Press discussing the Trinity.

http://www.commentarypress.com/eng-onetruegod.html

For any interested in that topic.

Sabrina

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The Human Face

by Greenpalmtreestillmine in

the human face is unique.

it is the window to the mind.

dogs wag their tales when they're happy and down their ears when they're afraid or puzzled but people, by their facial expressions, are able to transmit much more subtle and/or complex messages and are capable of doing so at will if we so desire.. .

Greenpalmtreestillmine

Narkissos,

...if God is the creator of everything, including every living being, why should the specific human difference (unprecedented development of the symbolical function in speech, facial expressions, gestures) be more a proof of creation than, say, the spider's web or the bat's "sonar"?

Because the spider's web and the bat's sonar are needed for survival. Just as we and all animals must assimilate food to survive and we must excrete wastes to survive and reproduce for the species to survive and sleep to survive etc., but only we have a face that transmits emotions to a degree unprecedented among the other creatures. The communicative abililty of the human face is not something necessary to the survival of the species, it is an enigma. Its muscles and nerves transmit the emotional responses of the brain. Have you ever tried smiling while thinking of something extremely sad? It feels very uncomfortable, unnatural. The human face and human mind are connected in an extreme way not found in other living things. But those emotional responses are not necessary for our survival. They are an unexplained bonus!!!

The human face is unique and its so called "evolution" does not fit in with the models and mechanisms put forth by evolutionists.

Sabrina

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Question for Christians on this board!

by Greenpalmtreestillmine in

do you believe the bible is the word of god?

i ask because i believe it's important for searching jws who come here to not only learn if there are christians here but also to hear from them personally what their thoughts on the bible are.

i believe the bible is the word of god, do other chriatians here also believe that?.

Greenpalmtreestillmine

I would like to thank each and every person who responded.

I am truly grateful.

Sabrina

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The Human Face

by Greenpalmtreestillmine in

the human face is unique.

it is the window to the mind.

dogs wag their tales when they're happy and down their ears when they're afraid or puzzled but people, by their facial expressions, are able to transmit much more subtle and/or complex messages and are capable of doing so at will if we so desire.. .

Greenpalmtreestillmine

Hi Missy04,

Thanks so much for your reply on this thread and on the Bible thread. Keep going and do not let anyone take away your faith or your love for God. So glad to meet you!

Sabrina