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recently i asked:have you experienced god?and many of you responded.the question was not intended to prove that god exists,or,doesn't.rather, what each persons own experience meant for them.. now,i thought that it would be only fair to ask:have you experienced satan?again not to prove that satan exists or dosen't.rather what each persons own experience meant for them.. maybe some have experienced both,god and satan at different times,or can you tell the difference?.
blueblades
*Sigh*
If Satan is what the bible claims, would he need to possess some mouth foaming weirdo wielding a club to do you harm? Remember, Satan was according to the bible a high ranking angel. I recall one lesser angel killing 185.000 people. Puts things in perspective doesn't it?
Hippy, he was just what he apeared to be: A mindfoaming lunatic shaking a club at you.
Greven
most recently i have been examining such invisibly occurring events as the 1918 resurrection of the saints and this week ive looked into the watchtower claim that babylon the great fell in 1919. there was scant evidence and little biblical support for the wt claim about the resurrection occuring .
in fact, the key line of proof of the resurrection was that rutherford was released from jail in 1919. does the claim of babylons fall in 1919 fare better?
what is the proof offered by the wt that this, in fact, occurred?
AN EXPOSE of Christendom that stirred the clergy into "A WHITE HEAT OF HATE
Yep! That's how they describe it!
"I made an ass of myself" was done by The Judge right? However, I did not find this statement made by him in print AT THAT TIME. Was it simply an admission to the GB at the time? I wonder about this because in official writings after 1925 the blame was put on the individual member, not The Judge...Obviously he didn't proclaim him being an ass as much as he did proclaim the return of the ancient worthies....
Thanx for your research, your digging into the past brings up a lot of mud the society wishes to forget.
Greven
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recently i asked:have you experienced god?and many of you responded.the question was not intended to prove that god exists,or,doesn't.rather, what each persons own experience meant for them.. now,i thought that it would be only fair to ask:have you experienced satan?again not to prove that satan exists or dosen't.rather what each persons own experience meant for them.. maybe some have experienced both,god and satan at different times,or can you tell the difference?.
blueblades
I finally identified myself and what do ya know? With the number of the beast. So...it must be true then!
Cheeses, BEWARE!
Greven
This thread is very....Vivalicious
Greven
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recently i asked:have you experienced god?and many of you responded.the question was not intended to prove that god exists,or,doesn't.rather, what each persons own experience meant for them.. now,i thought that it would be only fair to ask:have you experienced satan?again not to prove that satan exists or dosen't.rather what each persons own experience meant for them.. maybe some have experienced both,god and satan at different times,or can you tell the difference?.
blueblades
Yes,
I see him everyday in the mirror.
<---- Greven
has anyone ever had any experiences with ghosts or that of the paranormal world ?.
we think that we have a ghost in our house, nothing major just does little things at times, was just wondering if anyone has ever had anything happen to them ?
or if you dont believe in ghosts, how do you explain what happens to people ?.
***Whistling the tune of The Twilight Zone***
Greven
most recently i have been examining such invisibly occurring events as the 1918 resurrection of the saints and this week ive looked into the watchtower claim that babylon the great fell in 1919. there was scant evidence and little biblical support for the wt claim about the resurrection occuring .
in fact, the key line of proof of the resurrection was that rutherford was released from jail in 1919. does the claim of babylons fall in 1919 fare better?
what is the proof offered by the wt that this, in fact, occurred?
The point I made was that if Bible Students Monthly No. 99 used Quotations from The Finished Mystery they could not be predicting the fall of babylon because -according to them at the time- this event had already commenced (1878). In effect they confuse (deliberate or not) the current meaning with the old one, trying to insinuate a prediction where there is none.
But yes, the way things are written makes it often hard to pin them down.
Thanx, Loris! Reading the old stuff is very entertaining!
Greven
most recently i have been examining such invisibly occurring events as the 1918 resurrection of the saints and this week ive looked into the watchtower claim that babylon the great fell in 1919. there was scant evidence and little biblical support for the wt claim about the resurrection occuring .
in fact, the key line of proof of the resurrection was that rutherford was released from jail in 1919. does the claim of babylons fall in 1919 fare better?
what is the proof offered by the wt that this, in fact, occurred?
This quote interested me:
On July 17, 1917, this Society published and put into their hands the book entitled “The Finished Mystery,”.. On Sunday, December 30, 1917, there was a general distribution of the large, four-page tract, Bible Students Monthly No. 99, with the feature article “The Fall of Babylon,” with quotations from The Finished Mystery.
You would think that they were predicting the fall of Babylon based on this quote. But what did The Finished Mystery actually say about this?
*** The Finished Mystery 118-9 ***
And it was said unto them.— Not actually, but by the teachings of the parallel dispensations, which show that as Christ was raised from the dead in A. D. 33, the sleeping saints would be raised 1845 years later, in the Spring of 1878. See Rev. 3:14, 20.
That they should rest yet for a little season.— Greek Chronos, 360 years. See Rev. 2:21. This is the item which Pastor Russell had in mind in the following footnote: "When, in a succeeding volume, we examine the wonderful visions of the Revelator, it will be clearly seen that the time here pointed out by the word ‘henceforth,' as marked by events, synchronizes closely with 1878, as indicated by the prophecies herein noted." (C241.) Luther nailed the proclamation on the church door at Wittenberg Oct. 31, 1517, which was already one month into the year 1518, Jewish reckoning. But it took some time for the news to travel to all parts of Europe. Three hundred and sixty years from the Spring of 1518 brings us to the Spring of 1878, when we understand that God's promise made to the sleeping saints was fulfilled. They were raised from the dead, and Babylon was cast off.
*** The Finished Mystery 226 ***
[Ezechiel] 14:16. And He that sat on the cloud.— The Lord Jesus, during His Parousia, overruling and withholding the Time of Trouble.Thrust in His sickle on the earth; and the earth was reaped.— Reading verses 13-16 connectedly, we note that the resurrection of the sleeping saints is recorded, and is immediately followed by the Harvest. This suggests that the Harvest proper began in 1878; and that the three and a half years prior to the spring of 1878 was devoted to preliminary work, but not to Harvest work in the full sense. It was not proper to say "Come out of her, My people," until Babylon was cast off, in the Spring of 1878.— Rev. 3:14; Matt. 13:30; 24:31.
*** The Finished Mystery 273 ***
Saying, [Babylon the great is] fallen, is BABYLON THE GREAT [fallen]. — "The expression, ‘ Babylon is fallen,' indicates that at some time a sudden and utter rejection is to come upon Babylon, when all favor will forever cease, and when judgments will follow — just such a rejection as we have shown was due in 1878." — C155; Isa. 13:19-22; 21:9; Jer. 51:8-13; Rev. 14:8; 16:59.
Funny isn't it? They were preaching something totally different!
Greven
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was cham black?
i can't remember/find it, but i thought there was something like that in the bible.... i'm doing an essay [on history of racism], and i could _really_ use some help.. thanx!
Genesis 9: 20-26
Noah, a man of the soil, proceeded to plant a vineyard. When he drank some of its wine, he became drunk and lay uncovered inside his tent. Ham, the father of Canaan, saw his father's nakedness and told his two brothers outside. But Shem and Japheth took a garment and laid it across their shoulders; then they walked in backward and covered their father's nakedness. Their faces were turned the other way so that they would not see their father's nakedness. When Noah awoke from his wine and found out what his youngest son had done to him, he said,
"Cursed be Canaan!
The lowest of slaves
will he be to his brothers."
He also said,
"Blessed be the LORD , the God of Shem!
May Canaan be the slave of Shem.
This text has been used to explain why negro would only be fit for slavery...
If you want some good stuff about racism and slavery from the bible check here
Hope this helps
Greven
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was cham black?
i can't remember/find it, but i thought there was something like that in the bible.... i'm doing an essay [on history of racism], and i could _really_ use some help.. thanx!
If I remember correctly one of the sun had a skin 'burned by the sun'. However that wasn't Cham. It did lead some to conclude that and to top it concluded that the negro race decents from him and is likewise cursed. My memory is a bit rusty... I will see if I can find it....hang on.....
Greven
