Posts by Grout

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What were the key articles that helped you leave (or articles you love)?

by jwfacts in

i am looking for "best-of" articles about jws and the watchtower society.

what were the best articles that you remember reading.

any topic will do.

Watchtower Library CD - available?

by Grout in

i've been looking for a watchtower library cd, any vintage, via ebay etc.

can't seem to find one anywhere.

has the society stopped making them?

Watchtower Library CD - available?

by Grout in

i've been looking for a watchtower library cd, any vintage, via ebay etc.

can't seem to find one anywhere.

has the society stopped making them?

Grout

I've been looking for a Watchtower Library CD, any vintage, via eBay etc. Can't seem to find one anywhere. What's up with this? Has the Society stopped making them?

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Please don't take offence at this ...

by Joe Grundy in

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i'm not a jw, never have been, and in no danger of becoming one.. having read several of the wt mags and publications (and many more extracts on this and other sites) they come across to me as being very patronising in tone and full of pseudo-scholarship, misquoted (or unnamed) sources, references taken out of context, mis-translations, etc.

i'm aware of jw 'teaching' on the subject of higher education for its members (i.e.

not a good or necessary thing) so i can understand why many jws raised in it may not challenge the publications.

Grout

If you're raised as a witness, you can be brilliant and still be taken in.

If you're a convert, you deserve what you got; you truly were stupid. (Hopefully you're not stupid any more.)

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Slack Off!

by Grout in

the church of the subgenius is a worthy replacement for the wtbts.

in fact, sometimes i have a hard time telling them apart!

jehovah kills those who drudge their lives away without knowing who he is, but he rewards the ones who recognize his stark fist and carry out his seemingly immoral plans while slacking off every chance they get.. .

Grout

The Church of the SubGenius is a worthy replacement for the WTBTS. In fact, sometimes I have a hard time telling them apart!

JEHOVAH KILLS those who drudge their lives away without knowing who He is, but he REWARDS the ones who recognize His STARK FIST and carry out His SEEMINGLY IMMORAL PLANS while SLACKING OFF EVERY CHANCE THEY GET.

Here's the page in the SubG pamphlet I'm quoting. And remember the spiritual words of J. R. "Bob" Dobbs:

"You'll pay to know what you really think!"

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Oslo hypothesis vs. Jonsson hypothesis

by scholar in

it has been announced that two forthcoming volumes examing the secular and biblical ecidence for bible chronology are due for publication in the spring, 2003. rolf furuli a semitic language scholar provides a new approach to the many problems associated with current chronology.

it should be interesting to see how this book will be reviewed in the scholarly literature and compare this material with jonsson's gentile times reconsidered.

to date i am unaware of any scholarly review of the jonsson hypothesis.

Grout

"Scholar":

For someone who doesn't give two hoots, you certainly are doing a lot of hooting.

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So, where DID the 1914 timeline go awry?

by Xander in

okay, i know that historical evidence is that jerusalem fell in 586/7 instead of 607 - as the wtbts would have.

however, that is not compelling enough to show a hypothetical jw.

they (generally) must not only be show that the opposition is correct, but that the wtbts is wrong.

Grout

Scholar,

It's not that complex, really.

The astrological observations simply kicked your ass all over the calendar.

Be a mench and admit it already.

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What Was the Most Unbelievable Thing You've Heard?

by minimus in

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what's the most unbelievable thing you've ever heard while you were a witness?

one thing that stands out for me is being told that i would never go thru junior or high school because the end was right around the corner.....what about you??

?

Grout

An elder warned us that he'd heard that the writing on the Pope's hat includes the number "666".

The husband of a sister walked out at that moment in disgust. Would that I could have followed him....

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Ted Jaracz - the accused

by Nathan Natas in

at the silentlambs march in brooklyn ny on september 27, 2002 a woman made a public statement which began, .

i'm pat garza, and i'm here today because i was raped by theodore jaracz when i was a little girl, in the city of los angeles, he was district servant.

there are two boys; their initials are "m.v.

Grout

UnDis: Don't confuse the term "satanic ritual abuse" with the plain word "satanic". I'll agree that all child abuse is satanic (even though I don't believe in the supernatural); it's a perfectly good word for that horrible practice. But "satanic ritual abuse" is something else entirely, and that's what I had never heard verified.

Nathan, thanks much for the Mimilly quote. Its suggestion of pseudo-satanic ritual abuse is very interesting. It's more plausible to me than the genuine article; play-acting a power trip is certainly something I can imagine a pedophile doing.

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Ted Jaracz - the accused

by Nathan Natas in

at the silentlambs march in brooklyn ny on september 27, 2002 a woman made a public statement which began, .

i'm pat garza, and i'm here today because i was raped by theodore jaracz when i was a little girl, in the city of los angeles, he was district servant.

there are two boys; their initials are "m.v.

Grout

To my knowledge, the very idea that "Satanic ritual abuse" of children is practiced at all has never been verified anywhere, even among actual avowed Satanists, let alone among JWs.

Frankly, this isn't looking good for Pat or her lawyer. I hope Pat can find the peace she so obviously lost long ago.