I think good people will remain moral and true to their own standards of right and wrong whether they believe in a god or not. Personally, if I believed there were no god it would sadden me greatly in the sense that wrong really could prevail, and that all the suffering and hope I see really is without any purpose. It would not affect my behavior towards others, my moral cleanliness or my desire for attention in any way. As a matter of fact I would have to say, as a Christian, that the proclaimed Christians are at least as loud and demanding of attention as are any others. Look at You Know, Harold and Fred over at H20. Sometimes I think they are the same person. Anyway, just wanted to weigh in with a vote against agnostics or non-Christians wanting attention. Maybe it is my experience with the Witnesses, but I am not going to push my beliefs on anyone.
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63Are you Ex's still Christian?
by joel inwhassup guys.
i've spent most of my web time over the last 2 years at another site full of ex-jdubs...i'd say about 50 people post there on occasion...many of that number regularly.. what struck me from the beginning, as i got to know the people posting there was...how many were now atheists...non-believers in god...the bible...pretty much anything they once held sacred as jw's!.
i dare say...90 some % do not consider themselves christian now!.
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No longer a need for a mediator?
by ianao in(sorry to interrupt your peaceful day).. i just had an interesting talk with a jw friend of mine.
during this talk i was explaining to him why i was reluctant to be baptised a jw.
we got into many lengthy discussions on various topics.. one thing we discussed was jehovah (duh!
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It is my understanding that the Society teaches that those not of the 144,000 don't need or have a mediator. The 144,000 are so blessed that the blessings "overflow" on to the Other Sheep. Because the 144,000 are their "friends" they can get FAVORS from THEIR LAWYER, Jesus Christ. The 144,000 will RENDER the blessings to the Other Sheep. It is absurd and it is hard to believe anyone would buy it. But they do. I offer this next as a typical response and final result (at least at that time.) What amazes me is how quickly people who firmly belive Christ is their mediator will give up that idea when told to by the Authority in Brooklyn. It is sad.
Below is a part of a dialog with a Witness about the Mediatorship. When I first told her the Society's beliefs about it she called me a liar and said it wasn't true. She assured me that Jesus Christ was the Mediator for all men and that this was the teaching of the Society. Then she checked it out and this was our next and last exchange:
Me:
I don't want to try and argue with you, but I do want to make sure you see that without the blood of Christ your sins are not forgiven. That blood was only spilled in relation to those coming into the New Covenant. There have only been two covenants. The Old wherein sins were covered by many sacrifices of animals and had human high priests, and the New wherein Jesus is your High Priest and offers his blood for your sins. His ransom sacrifice is a part of the New Covenant and cannot be accessed without being in that New Covenant. If you don't need a mediator to pay for your sins, then why do the 144,000? They say very plainly in the quotes below that they had their sins washed away in the "cleansing blood of the Mediator" and that God had "covenanted to forgive iniquity and remember sin no more." This was part of the Covenant. If you are not in the covenant then your iniquity and sin is not covered by the blood of the Mediator, Jesus Christ. This below is talking about Paul (Saul).washed his sins away in the cleansing blood of the Mediator of the new covenant by calling upon the name of the great Author of the new covenant, Jehovah God, who had covenanted to forgive iniquity and remember sin no more.—Heb. 9:14-26.
Also from the same Watchtower:
8 No one can be adequately qualified to be a minister of God in his new covenant unless, like Saul, he has the light from God through Christ shine upon him, repents of his sinful course, accepts God’s mercy, calls upon God’s name as the Forgiver of sins to have his sins washed away in the blood of Jesus’ sacrifice and gets baptized in water and thus shows faith and makes a public confession of that faith.
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Jesus Christ is Mediator of this covenant. The apostle Paul writes: "There is one God, and one mediator between God and men, a man, Christ Jesus, who gave himself a corresponding ransom for all." (1 Tim. 2:5, 6) The shedding of his blood was necessary, because those taken into the new covenant are sinners, having inherited sin and imperfection from Adam. (Rom. 5:12) Christ’s ransom sacrifice bought back all human life rights and is the basis for forgiveness of sins. Jesus "suffered death, that he by God’s undeserved kindness might taste death for every man," says the apostle. (Heb. 2:9) Thus God can deal with those in the new covenant as righteous persons.—Rom. 3:23, 24; 8:1.
Notice Cheeky, the verse ties the mediatorship between God and men with the ransom. There is no other way to get forgiveness, which is why the WT quoted the verse that said, "Thus God can deal with those in the New Covenant as righteous persons." Where does that leave you, Cheeky? Don't let slick talk and mumbo jumbo confuse you. For them to be "righteous persons" they have to be in the New Covenant. So do you. The Ransom Sacrifice is a part of the New Covenant and Christ offers his blood up in his role as Mediator of this New Covenant. If you reject his role as Mediator, you also reject his ransom and the blood he offered up for you. It is a package deal that the Society tried to separate and wish to pretend they can dole out themselves, to "render" the blessing for you is how they say it, to allow your blessings to "flow" from them. This is a lie. No where can you find support for dividing up the death of Christ into a ransom for one bunch and a new covenant forgiving sins for another bunch. It can't be done using the Bible. The one man that died for you is Jesus Christ. The one way to get the benefit from that is to believe that his blood paid for your sins and that he is the one who stands between you and God and makes you righteous in God's eyes through his shed blood. This IS the new covenant. If you aren't in it, then you are rejecting Christ and accepting these old men in Brooklyn New York as your Mediator and saying They will see that your sins are paid for and that your blessings will come through them. This is a LIE don't believe it. Here is the truth. A perfect man sinned and passed it on to you. Through a blood sacrifice ritual under an Old Covenant sins of those in the covenant were washed away until a new perfect man came and lived a perfect life and then died to initiate a new blood sacrifice ritual once for all time and pay for the sins of all those in the new covenant. If you weren't under the old covenant and offered sacrifices it did no good, if you are not in the new covenant the blood of Christ is not doing you any good. Notice what the book of Hebrews has to say:
Any man that has disregarded the law of Moses dies without compassion, upon the testimony of two or three. 29 Of how much more severe a punishment, do YOU think, will the man be counted worthy who has trampled upon the Son of God and who has esteemed as of ordinary value the blood of the covenant by which he was sanctified, and who has outraged the spirit of undeserved kindness with contempt?
I believe with all my heart that the people who have convinced you and others like you that Jesus Christ is not your Mediator and that the blood of the New Covenant is only shed for the so called "anointed" among the Jehovah's Witnesses are guilty of contempt toward the sacrifice which they try to hog to themselves. If in doubt, reread 1 Tim. 2:5-6 it is pretty clear.
HER ANSWER:
I have discovered an 'answer' to the mediation question that seems to make perfect sense to me. It doesn't degrade anyone as you had suggested that it did either.
You are correct when you say that the 144,000 are the ones in the new covenant with Christ.
Reason for this :A mediator is only needed where there is a covenant arrangement with God. The great crowd and even the resurrected dead do not need a mediator to be given back what Adam originally had.
Here is another important bit of info, that again made perfect sense to me:
Your water baptism did not signify that you had made a covenant with God.
Now that I remember my vows, it was to show public display that I have dedicated myself to Jehovah, and my love for him. I was not entering any covenant with him.So, how are my sins paid for?
The ransom and Christ's mediation of the New Covenant are two totally separate things. Chist's ransom covers the sins of all of Adam's offspring, right?
Even the so-called unrighteous
What do those who have died in complete ignorance have to do to qualify for a resurrection?
Nada, right?
No baptism, no repentance, no dedication. They simply wake up in the new earth. They will decide then if they are in or out. Just like we all do.
So if that’s the case, why would they need a mediator?
The New Covenant is validated by Christ's blood, but only those in the covenant, those invited by holy spirit actually need a mediator.The other sheep ARE ransomed by Christ's blood. Jesus' sacrifice does multiple things. It pays for the sins not only of the little flock but ALSO for the *whole* world's.
What scriptures can I use to support that?
The scripture in Timothy which talks about the ransom makes a distinction between the two groups. 1 Tim 2:6 and, 1 John 2:2, "Yet not for OURS only, but for the whole world's."
The anointed are not mediators for the other sheep, for the simple reason that the other sheep do not *need* a mediator. Only those who are changed from humans into spirits need the special provision of a covenant, and every covenant needs a mediator.
Now, ******, even though this may not make any sense to you or you may not accept this as an answer.....I do. This is in line with the loving arrangement that has always been. That is why I love Jehovah! Put me to the test, he says. I do. over and over and.......;-)
This is not the picture that you painted of the GB thinking they are so above us, and we are pee-ons.
It isn't like that at all.
Thank you for making me look into to this, because it makes me stronger.
Thanks to the people who help me look and see.
Cheeky
End of dialog.So I didn't do her much good. She doesn't think she is in a covenant with God. They sold it. She bought it on faith in them. They needed a Mediator to be seen as righteous, and to take away their sins, she didn't. She left with her faith stronger, she said, than before. I regretted talking to her as before I talked to her she belived Christ was her mediator, after the dialog she didn't. Not what I had hoped to achieve. Sad. I hope with all my heart she has rejected them since then, this was about a year or so ago.
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Platlets...can WTBTS policy be defended?
by joel inif this topic has been addressed already...sorry...just ignore it.... if not...i would like to hear from those who would defend this policy....or who see the inconsistencies in the views on blood but the wtbts.. .
the following is something i read on at another site.
there is no question that the watchtower's blood policy needlessly kills jw children.
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What bothers me about this, is that so many lives were lost before the current "understandings" were reached, that so many are being lost before the future understandings will be reached and that meanwhile children and their families are tortured by the decision and then many innocents die. It reminds me of the alternative service issue. Innocent young Jehovah's Witness boys sent to prisons where they were frequently raped and abused. Now they don't have to go. It all makes me sick for the innocents who suffer and angry at the hypocrites who set themselves up to strain at the gnats and swallow camels while the people suffer or even die. From the Birthday understanding that has caused so much useless grief to children, to the false dates and advice not to worry about the future which cost so many their security and the happiness of careers and prosperity, to the alternative service issues that have cost so many boys their self-image and happiness, to the blood issues that have cost so many their lives, to the rejection of Christ as mediator and the partaking of the Emblems which have really denied the rank and file their very Christianity, when have these people been right about anything??? Judge the tree by its fruit. I would also like to know about the cow's blood thing. Is that true? Was that in a publication??? How was it made known if not? I have a hard time believing they would approve using cow's blood in any way shape or form. If they have this might be something that would actually affect my father's attitude, though it might not.
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Ode to the Spell Checker
by Grunt in"ode to the spell checker!
eye halve a spelling chequer .
it came with my pea sea .
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"Ode to the Spell Checker!"
Eye halve a spelling chequer
It came with my pea sea
It plainly marques four my revue
Miss steaks eye kin knot sea.
Eye strike a key and type a word
And weight four it two say
Weather eye am wrong oar write
It shows me strait a weigh.
As soon as a mist ache is maid
It nose bee fore two long
And eye can put the error rite
Its rare lea ever wrong.
Eye have run this poem threw it
I am shore your pleased two no
Its letter perfect awl the weigh
My chequer tolled me sew.
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Are you Ex's still Christian?
by joel inwhassup guys.
i've spent most of my web time over the last 2 years at another site full of ex-jdubs...i'd say about 50 people post there on occasion...many of that number regularly.. what struck me from the beginning, as i got to know the people posting there was...how many were now atheists...non-believers in god...the bible...pretty much anything they once held sacred as jw's!.
i dare say...90 some % do not consider themselves christian now!.
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I am still a Christian. I don't belong to any denomination and don't really have a desire to. While I don't try to defend the things that were done in the Old Testament or the punishment of all mankind for the deed of one couple that though perfect did not resist sin even as well as I do. I GARONTEE you (emphasis for you Frenchy) that if all I had to do was not eat from a certain tree, I'd never taste it. I have never tried and will never try all kinds of sins of the flesh and of the spirt. All my drugs will be to fight germs or something like that. I have no desire to dominate or rule over anyone including my wife or the people I work with. I have a desire to have the respect and love/friendship as is appropriate.
Still I do believe in the Bible. I am not saying it is the only possible answer, though I do think that Christ is the only Way and that you have to accept that sacrifice to have the Mediator you need to intercede for you. As for the scriptures, I find so much in there that is so noble, so beautiful and such a good target for me to shoot for. Forgive me if I am boring you but I will quote a couple of my favorites, one very short and one a little longer. Here they are:Phillipians 2:3 doing nothing out of contentiousness or out of egotism, but with lowliness of mind considering that the others are superior to YOU
If the world would do that then all our problems could be solved and you would be rid of crime, war, and all bad interactions among humans.
If we all honestly treated the other person as though they were better than us and deserved the best food, the best care, well, we'd be outdoing ourselves trying to be good to one another.The other one I will quote is 1 Cor. 13:
13 If I speak in the tongues of men and of angels but do not have love, I have become a sounding [piece of] brass or a clashing cymbal. 2 And if I have the gift of prophesying and am acquainted with all the sacred secrets and all knowledge, and if I have all the faith so as to transplant mountains, but do not have love, I am nothing. 3 And if I give all my belongings to feed others, and if I hand over my body, that I may boast, but do not have love, I am not profited at all.
4 Love is long-suffering and kind. Love is not jealous, it does not brag, does not get puffed up, 5 does not behave indecently, does not look for its own interests, does not become provoked. It does not keep account of the injury. 6 It does not rejoice over unrighteousness, but rejoices with the truth. 7 It bears all things, believes all things, hopes all things, endures all things.
I can only aspire to the attitudes expressed above. I would prefer another translation, but as I have the WT CD ROM I just used it. In the King James I believe it says words to the effect of "If I hand over my body to be burned" and don't have love it is for nothing.
As for evolution, I have posted before my attitude about that so I won't beat a dead horse. Suffice it to say that I have struggled so hard on so many jobs to do simple things with lots of planning and all kinds of tools. I usually made it all work but wow, what a struggle. Then you look at nature and all these intricate systems, small as cells, large as galaxies work perfectly and interact with other complex systems with only mutual beneficial results. I don' know if you have been following the news in science but I saw the other day the scientists are wanting the politicians to put giant mirrors, (1200 miles long or square or both) shoot particles up with the guns of ships like the New Jersey or such, do something to reflect away 1-2% of the sunlight hitting Earth. They need to do it because of greenhouse gases caused by man. I hope they think long and hard about it as I don't trust their intervention anymore than I do the Kudzoo idea or any number of other interventions in nature they have come up with. To quote the Bible again "Every house has its builder, the builder of all things is God." Makes sense to me. Now just who God is, what name he prefers (I have gotten into the habit of referring to him as Father, or the Creator), why he allows death, pain, and all the other, I don't know. I do know I am probably too studpid for a complex, complicated explanation. I still sometimes have a desire to double check calculators. I know they work, I know TV works. I see it all working. I take the how of it on faith. I also like the Bible's definition for God. God is Love. I like that.
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North Dakota ID
by Grunt insubject: fw: you might be a north dakotan if... (fwd) (fwd).
> subject: fw: you might be a north dakotan if... (fwd) (fwd).
you might be a north dakotan if.... 1. you know that everyone has a "city.
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Subject: FW: YOU MIGHT BE A NORTH DAKOTAN IF... (fwd) (fwd)
> Subject: FW: YOU MIGHT BE A NORTH DAKOTAN IF... (fwd) (fwd)
YOU MIGHT BE A NORTH DAKOTAN IF...
1. You know that everyone has a "city
preference"- Fargo or Grand Forks.
2. You have gotten frostbitten and sunburned
during the same week.
3. You always miss the Combine Show at the State Fair...
4. ...but you still make it for those mini-donuts
and cheese curds!
5. You've gotten fresh eggs and milk from a farm.
6. You measure distance in minutes.
7. Weather is 80% of your conversation.
8. Down south to you means South Dakota.
9. You call freeways "highways".
10. Snow tires come standard on all your vehicles.
11. You know why there would be an electrical plug
hanging out of a car hood.
12. You think public transportation is "Ole's truck bed".
13. 75% of your graduating high school class went to
North Dakota State University.
14. You've been to Fort Mandan on a field trip at
some point in your school days.
15. You know the real state bird is the mosquito.
16. You know more than 1 person that has hit a deer.
17. You always said that you were going to leave when
you grew up.
18. People from other states love to hear you say
words with "o"s in them.
19. You have seen someone light a fart.
20. You went to Canada on your 18th birthday.
21. Your car was the only hangout option in high school.
22. You have no problem spelling "Minneapolis".
23. You own at least one item that says "I'd rather
be fishing".
24. You used to think Deer Season was an official
school holiday.
25. You know which calibre rifle works best in
any given situation that would require a rifle.
26. You get mad at people who think Fargo is in
Minnesota.
27. You feel the need to correct everyone's
misperception that there are Indians roaming the
plains.
28. You know that small towns are "rumor mills",
and must tell everyone you see.
29. You may hate George Sinner for a lot of
things, but you will always love him for canceling
school.
30. Not only do you have snow days, your school
is canceled because of the cold (-100 F wind chill).
31. You call Bismarck and Mandan the "Cities".
32. You can name the 4 seasons: fall, winter,
spring, and road repair.
33. You know the difference between temperature and
wind chill.
34. You take all your vacations "by the water".
35. You can drive faster on gravel roads than on
pavement.
36. You make fun of Canadians.
37. At least one member of your family has cut
your hair.
38. You have almost always had a "white Christmas".
39. You hate all Minnesota professional sports
teams, because they have professional sports teams.
40. You've gone camping for your birthday.
41. Nothing gets you madder than seeing an
out-of-state license plate, because you know
they're just passing through.
42. You think that Lutherans and Catholics are
the two major religions of the world.
43. You know what "uff-da" means and how to use
it in the proper context.
44. You remember playing Kickball in elementary
school and miss it.
45. You're a loyal K-mart shopper.
46. You still think "Gay 90's" is just an expression.
47. You've licked frozen metal ... in the past year!
48. You spend at least a paycheck on fireworks
every 4th of July.
49. You own an ice house, a snowmobile, and a 4
wheel drive vehicle.
50. You wear shorts when it's 50 degrees outside
in March, but bundle up and complain in August when
it goes below 60.
51. You know people that have more fishing poles
than teeth.
52. You remember every high school sporting
event that you ever participated in.
53. You used to think the State Capital was a
"very tall building".
54. When you talk about "opener" you are not
talking about cans (see #24).
55. You've gone fishing in the Kiddie Pond ... recently!
56. You remember going Trick-or-Treating in 3
feet of snow.
57. You think all blacks work at an Air Force Base.
58. You know what cabin fever is (December,
January, February, and March!)59. You love SPAM and can name what it stands
for (spiced ham).
60. You carry jumper cables in your car.
61. You can give directions to Teddy Roosevelt's
house.
62. You have at least one tee shirt and one
poster with Virgil Hill.
63. All of your friends are at least "a part Norwegian".
64. You know people who actually say "yah sure"
and "you betcha".
5. You are excited the first time it snows, and
then slap yourself because you know by April you'll
be insanely sick of it.
66. Everyone you know has a cabin.
67. You get sick of people asking you "is it
cold up there?"
68. You never appreciate "North Dakota is Nice"
until you move away from it.
69. You didn't know if the locks on your car
worked until you locked yourself out.
70. You knew what MIP and DUI was before you
reached high school.
71. You had a MIP or DUI before you reached high school.
72. At least two of your neighbors have keys to
your house.
73. You learned to drive "on the farm".
74. You compare the Medora Musical to Broadway...
75. You drink POP and are proud of it.
76. You have a favorite AM station.
77. You give directions by landmarks only.
78. You know what lefsa is.
79. You think you can get a job anywhere
because you have that Midwestern work ethic.
80. Holidays at your house always include a big
glass of Mogan David wine.
81. Your friends that come to visit from REAL
urban areas always remark on how blasted many people
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Answering Machine at the Mental Hospital
by Grunt inanswering machine at the mental hospital: .
> "hello, and welcome to the mental health hotline.
> if you are obsessive-compulsive, press 1 repeatedly.
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Waiting, what kind of store do you have? When I first went on line I thought of all kinds of names, Greek and Roman names that identifyed some attitude or feeling, classical and intelligent, you know. I wound up using a name my cousin used to call me to tease me, JimBob. On another board I used the classical name. On this board I don't know why but Grunt just popped up, maybe because I was one in the service. It is honest and makes no pretences or facades. What are you Waiting for? The fall of the leaning Tower I guess? Maybe I should have used Hopeful as my name, or Grudge as I kind of hold one against the hypocrites I used to hold in a postion of honor.
Seven, all I did was forward to you some jokes I found, you could have written them judging by your Um-Friend definition! I have saved a few funny ones and without burying you in them I will try to post a few along. As we have a few Yankees on the board I will try to find a good one I used to have on ND and how you know you are from there. I don't post that often here and am frequently out of town but I always read the board when I get a chance and always enjoy the comments from you, Waiting, Frenchy, Simon and the crew. I thought you all handled the mentally challenged lady with class as a whole. I admired your patience. She obviously needs some good friends and some counseling, I hope she finds both and that she escapes the controlling influence of the Borg which is the last thing she needs. Guilt and snubbing seem to be SOP with them and what this lady could use is a little positive reinforcement, good advice, and real concern for her interests as they affect her and not the Society. Anyway, you treated her as I would want to be treated in her shoes. You give "Apostates" a good name! I hope I do too. I have never been df'd or da'd by any other than my child, but that is really a formality as I have divorced myself from the group and could care less what name they would put on it. -
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Answering Machine at the Mental Hospital
by Grunt inanswering machine at the mental hospital: .
> "hello, and welcome to the mental health hotline.
> if you are obsessive-compulsive, press 1 repeatedly.
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Despite your problems (o-o-o, and ###) you two are SHARP. You might get a kick out of this one also. I think the last one is my favorite.
Improve Your Vocabulary
The Washington Post recently published a contest for readers in which they
were asked to supply alternative meanings for various words. The following
were some of the winning entries.Abdicate (v.), to give up all hope of ever having a flat stomach.
Carcinoma (n.), a valley in California, notable for its heavy smog.
Esplanade (v.), to attempt an explanation while drunk.
Willy-nilly (adj.), impotent
Flabbergasted (adj.), appalled over how much weight you have gained.
Negligent (adj.), describes a condition in which you absentmindedly answer
the door in your nightie.Lymph (v.), to walk with a lisp.
Coffee (n.), a person who is coughed upon.
Balderdash (n.), a rapidly receding hairline.
Testicle (n.), a humorous question on an exam.
Rectitude (n.), the formal, dignified demeanor assumed by a proctologist
immediately before he examines you.Oyster (n.), a person who sprinkles his conversation with Yiddish expressions.
Circumvent (n.), the opening in the front of boxer shorts.
Frisbatarianism (n.), The belief that, when you die, your soul goes up on
the roof and gets stuck there.The Washington Post's Style Invitational also asked readers to take any word
from the dictionary, alter it by adding, subtracting or changing one letter,
and supply a new definition. Here are some recent winners:Sarchasm: The gulf between the author of sarcastic wit and the reader who
doesn't get it.Reintarnation: Coming back to life as a hillbilly.
Foreploy: Any misrepresentation about yourself for the purpose of obtaining
sex.Inoculatte: To take coffee intravenously.
Karmageddon: It's like, when everybody is sending off all these really bad
vibes, right? And then, like, the Earth explodes and it's like a serious
bummer.Glibido: All talk and no action.
Dopeler effect: The tendency of stupid ideas to seem smarter when they come
at you rapidly.Intaxication: Euphoria at getting a refund from the IRS, which lasts until
you realize it was your money to start with.And finally... Ignoranus: A person who's both stupid and an asshole.
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Answering Machine at the Mental Hospital
by Grunt inanswering machine at the mental hospital: .
> "hello, and welcome to the mental health hotline.
> if you are obsessive-compulsive, press 1 repeatedly.
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Answering Machine at the Mental Hospital:
>
> "Hello, and welcome to the mental health hotline."
>
> If you are obsessive-compulsive, press 1 repeatedly.
>
> If you are codependent, please ask someone to press 2 for you.
>
> If you have multiple personalities, press 3, 4, 5, and 6.
>
> If you are paranoid, we know who you are and what you want.
> Stay on the line so we can trace your call.
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> If you are delusional, press 7 and your call will be
> transferred to the mother ship.
>
> If you are schizophrenic, listen carefully and a small voice
> will tell you which number to press.
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> If you are a manic-depressive, it doesn't matter which number
> you press, no one will answer.
>
> If you are dyslexic, press 9696969696969696.
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> If you have a nervous disorder, please fidget with the pound
> key until a representative comes on the line.
>
> If you have amnesia, press 8 and state your name, address,
> telephone number, date of birth, social security number, and
> your mother's maiden name.
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> If you have post-traumatic stress disorder, s-l-o-w-l-y &
> c-a-r-e-f-u-l-l-y press 0 0 0.
>
> If you have bi-polar disorder, please leave a message after
> the beep or before the beep or after the beep. Please wait for
> the beep.
>
> If you have short-term memory loss, press 9. If you have
> short-term memory loss, press 9. If you have short-term memory
> loss, press 9. If you have short-term memory loss, press 9.
>
> If you have low self-esteem, please hang up. All operators are
> too busy to talk to you."
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Southern Hospitality PG
by waiting inthat, we would kick their ass.
kick your ass.
out of here, or we'll kick your ass.
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From what I've read you are lucky they didn't "kick your ASS!"