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  I think I did it!

  by freeman in

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  i believe i have set the wheels in motion for what i believe will lead to my disfellowshiping.

  i have been inactive since 1987 and still getting along with the witnesses (invited to gatherings etc.

  ) but something came up that finally push my buttons just enough to make me explode.

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  gsark

  Jesus must have known that people would come along someday and twist around his words. I believe that is why he DID so many things and that what he DID is recorded for our benefit.

  There is not ONE recorded scriptural example of shunning. In fact, Jesus, far from shunning, ATE WITH sinners and risked his LIFE to save an adulterous woman...repentance not asked for.

  As far as putting someone out from among your midst and not saying a greeting, in any case that only applies to someone actually doing a wrong thing. Not rape and molestation survivors. Not someone sufferring from severe mental illness, an abusive spouse, and whatever else. "Crimes"

  The final proof of the unscripturalness of shunning is evident in its fruitage. The more shunning that goes on in the JW, the dirtier the org has gotten. It smacks of the Devil himself, IMHO.
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  A Question. Your Help Requested!

  by Englishman in

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  there is something that i am not clear about in my mind, so i would much appreciate some input on this 2 part question.. i keep reading posts from persons who are desperate to leave the jw's.

  however, almost without exception, these persons state that they will be shunned by their families and friends.

  so, my first quesion is: do you mean that you will be officially disfellowshipped by the elders of your congregation if you simply opt to leave?.

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  gsark

  Englishman...you just don't GET it...they are TELLING you...I, over 20 years in and around JW am TELLING you...there must be fifty people on this board who left and who can TELL you...

  "THOSE WHO SIMPLY CEASE TO BE INVOLVED IN THE FAITH WILL NOT BE SHUNNED."

  IT IS A LIE!!!!! OKAY!!!!!!!
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  Leaving or not

  by Norm in

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  the thread about people leaving has made me think of the 7 years i have been on the net and participated in various witness and ex-witness e-mail groups or discussion boards.. in these years i have seen many a person, which for various reasons come and go from such forums.

  there are of course as many opinions as there are people and in such diverse groups there will always be debates about every conceivable subject there is.

  people who come out of the watchtower society seems as a group particularly ill equipped to deal with disagreements and strong debates but of course some more than others.

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  GO Norm GO...!!!
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  Double Standards - Where is the line drawn?

  by msil in

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  i was happy when the yadrif was given the boot - we never needed the spread of hatred and name calling.

  it seemed as though everyone felt the same way.. i find it hypocritical that as long as you are "influential in the xjw community" or if you run a big anti-jw website you can call anyone names and you can post any obscene drivel as long as it is a song which you dedicate other posters.. i find it ironic that a "well-respected" poster (and i could give a damn what his past actions or brave deeds are, or what fancy essays he wrote) would call me a biggot in chat for asking simple questions but then he would defend the stuff kent wrote in reference to aguest.

  i don't give a damn if it was written by frank zappa or some other crack-smokin' loser - the fact that they are song lyrics is irrelevant.

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  gsark

  "education", except..er..uh..

  I only finsihed tenth grade initially!!!
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  The 'Line' and your Freedom of Expression

  by lisaBObeesa in

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  freedom of speech is a good thing.

  but any good thing can turn into a bad thing when it is taken to extremes.

  personal attacks do not need to be protected.

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  gsark

  <The conduct of some here is a disgrace to what should be a noble cause.>

  Does it seem as if these same people have done this soemwhere else?
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  Double Standards - Where is the line drawn?

  by msil in

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  i was happy when the yadrif was given the boot - we never needed the spread of hatred and name calling.

  it seemed as though everyone felt the same way.. i find it hypocritical that as long as you are "influential in the xjw community" or if you run a big anti-jw website you can call anyone names and you can post any obscene drivel as long as it is a song which you dedicate other posters.. i find it ironic that a "well-respected" poster (and i could give a damn what his past actions or brave deeds are, or what fancy essays he wrote) would call me a biggot in chat for asking simple questions but then he would defend the stuff kent wrote in reference to aguest.

  i don't give a damn if it was written by frank zappa or some other crack-smokin' loser - the fact that they are song lyrics is irrelevant.

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  gsark

  Got it from a fabulous movie...minus the **** part of course.

  Love the change of topic tho...thanks Naeb. Now go give Gussette and Gustianna a kiss.
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  Double Standards - Where is the line drawn?

  by msil in

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  i was happy when the yadrif was given the boot - we never needed the spread of hatred and name calling.

  it seemed as though everyone felt the same way.. i find it hypocritical that as long as you are "influential in the xjw community" or if you run a big anti-jw website you can call anyone names and you can post any obscene drivel as long as it is a song which you dedicate other posters.. i find it ironic that a "well-respected" poster (and i could give a damn what his past actions or brave deeds are, or what fancy essays he wrote) would call me a biggot in chat for asking simple questions but then he would defend the stuff kent wrote in reference to aguest.

  i don't give a damn if it was written by frank zappa or some other crack-smokin' loser - the fact that they are song lyrics is irrelevant.

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  gsark

  When we sign up for PERMISSION (for such it is) to post on this forum..we agree to not do the following among others..

  1) Publish, post, upload, distribute or disseminate any inappropriate, profane, derogatory, defamatory, infringing, improper, obscene, indecent or unlawful topic, name, material or information.

  2) Defame, abuse, harass, stalk, threaten or otherwise violate the legal rights (such as rights of privacy and publicity) of others.

  Anyone who posts here, and then blatantly disregards these statements really could be called a LIAR! You agreed you wouldn't do it and then if you did....!!!!

  On this site, Simon has given permission for people to use more than one user name. There is no rule here against using more than one user name, so BIG DEAL.

  Being an EX-JW is not an excuse to be a blatant public liar. And there have been times when I would have loved to start cutting and pasting posts and mailing them to various individuals' business contacts. Haven't done it yet. Probably won't.

  This is your site Simon, you should do what you think is right and do what you want. I think YOU'RE doing a wonderful job.

  ...Get down off the **** cross, somebody needs the **** wood already...
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  The Only One

  by silentlambs in

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  dedicated to those who thought they were the only ones.... the only one.

  a troubled child with vacant eyes sits quietly alone with not much to say,.

  he killed her puppy and said she would be next if she told her friends at play.. a father who betrayed her trust, violated her innocence and left her emotionally numb,.

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  BTTT

  <"Get down off that cross; somebody needs the wood!">
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  Missed you guys, had "The Talk" with ...

  by reagan_oconnor in

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  it's been about a month since i posted... sorry to stay away so long.. many of you are aware that my parents stopped speaking to me last year, and the only time i've seen them in a year is when my dad had a heart attack.

  i got an e-mail from my mom that asked how i "felt about their religion" since i'm celebrating holidays.. i sat down with mom on saturday and told her that regardless of our differences in beliefs, that we're still family, and that will never change.

  i told her that i understand that she's conflicted because of her beliefs, and that it's been difficult for her.

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  gsark

  Welcome ack, sweetie!!

  <"Get down off that cross; somebody needs the wood!">
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  How Would You Respond?

  by silentlambs in

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  i know this is kind of like shooting fish in a barrel, but i just have to share this email i got a few minutes ago.

  i think it encapsulates the response many will have, no matter what is said about the molestation issue.

  i invite you read it, put yourself in my shoes, and see how you might offer a response.

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  gsark

  Shoot 'em all and let God sort them out!

  this is a humorous response people...J.O.K.E!!

  I would say this is a typical JW response and the first of many more to come. War is Hell...

  <"Get down off that cross; somebody needs the wood!">