Oh my. . .WOW. . .reading it was one thing, but listening to it. . .Damn! The guy's a nut. He's been a JW for how long? And how old is he now? I've got to ask my daughter if she listened to this.
Thanks for posting.
Praying4Justice
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A witness dinner- Puts on Samuel Herds {Gov.body} talk I nearly choked!
by Witness 007 invisiting my mum she made me go to my first meeting in years.
a brother i studied with invites me to dinner....nice change i thought!
rumor has it that i have become in-active....true!
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Talk by brother Herd (long)
by moomanchu inthe stars fall from heaven?
~sigh~ and youll fall across the finish line into the new world!
we dont want that brothers.
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Praying4Justice
DanTheMan, I cannot THANK YOU enough for the laugh you gave me today regarding your grocery clerk comment!! :)
I was laughing so hard, I had to fan myself because of the hot flash I got from it!! I was at work and my boss had to ask why I was hysterical all of a sudden.
Reading the "Talk by Herd" made me sick to my stomach, but thanks to you, it was all worth it! OK, I have to finish reading the rest of the comments now. I am so thankful to be able to come to this site and share in everyone's feelings. . .the ones against the Watchtower that is.
Take Care All~
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Please I need your help! evil site
by Dogpatch inevil for some at least!.
now that i shamelessly hijacked your attention folks, i could, pretty please use some suggestions.. a dear friend, who is a website designer recently volunteered to redesign my sites.
he succeeded in creating a great design, especially for www.freeminds.org .
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Hi Randy, you've been busy making changes today. Lookin good. I think it'll take time for us to adjust to the change, but that's normal.
I have to say, that I did like the picture you had on the other site. . .the one with the bars on the eye. To me, it was a picture that made an impact of a serious and sad subject.
Maybe you can stick that eye picture (or another one) somewhere to reflect the negative aspect along with the beach picture which is calming and reflects peace and freedom. Kinda like stating what it's like being in the Watchtower, and what it could be like if you get out.
Hope I said that right and you know what I mean.
Regardless, great job you are doing, and I thank you with all my heart for having your site to go to everyday.
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fresia, you mentioned in one of your earlier posts about how much you hate when opposers and apostates lie. I don't like when people lie either, so please answer this question honestly (as you say you are a Jehovah's Witness).
Does the Watchtower teach Jehovah's Witnesses that All non-Jehovah's Witnesses are worldly? If you want to give an explanation, that's fine, but please start with a yes or no.
Thanks~
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Your JW Relatives Have 2 Personalities - Cult & Authentic- See the Change
by flipper inin steve hassan's book, " combatting cult mind control" - one of the points that assisted me the most is understanding that all cult members have a " cult " personality which turns on when defending their faith, and they have an authentic, non - cult personality they were born with- the personality they had before being programmed by the jehovah's witnesses or any other " cult".
how is this dual cult/ authentic personality manifest ?
hassan mentions in his book that, " one moment the person is speaking cultic jargon with a hostile or elitist know-it-all attitude .
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It was exactly this split personality that freaked me out when I witnessed it in my daughter. She is sweet and kind, a good sensitive girl with a big heart. When I started to finally research this religion and get some idea of what they believe in and read all the endless heartbreaking testimonies, I started to see some of the same negative behavior in her. When I approached her with some questions, I was absolutely blown away by her reaction. When I watched that cold glazed look creep into her eyes, I lost it. . .I broke down. She had never looked like that before. When she was looking at me, she was looking right through me. All of her normal, sensitve emotions were gone. It was from that day on that I have vowed to do whatever I can to help save her away from these people.
That was a few years ago. They have since moved her out of our home so she can be closer to them and away from her opposing mother, but that does not stop me from seeing and talking to her every chance I get. Now that I know what they are all about and what their true agenda is, I understand how they think. So, I keep in constant contact with her and tell her much we all love her and that we are here for her no matter what. She no longer has that cold hard emotionless look when I talk to her. She may not want to talk about certain subjects because she doesn't know how to answer the simpliest questions. She will get fidgety and look uncomfortable because I can tell she's thinking of "how" she "should" answer instead of just answering the way "she" feels. It's frustrating to see that, but the soft sensitivity is back in her big brown eyes.
She knows exactly how her whole family feels about this religion, but she also knows that we will never stop loving her because she belongs to it. We always bring up the past and the good times and I always try to get her to think of what she wants to do with her future. She's still so young and always talked with excitement about life after high school, until she got caught up with them. Now, she doesn't talk about it, but I know it's still in her to want to do something she loves, other than what she's doing now. . .work. . .meetings. . .field service. . .meetings. . .meetings. . . . . . .
Take Care All~
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Long last letter to dad...please comment-not mailed yet
by dawg indad, .
i doubt youll even read this letter since it comes from your son, a son youve abandoned over your religious views, but i wanted to write you one final letter to see if theres any hope that you can come to your senses as far as this religion goes and we can renew our relationship.
im doing this because i care for you and mom deeply and feel very much distressed that you two refuse to see anyones opinion as being factual other than your own when it concerns the jw religion.
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Hi Dawg~
Flipper brings up a great suggestion. . .if you can go see your Dad face to face, you could personally give him the letter. You're letter was great and it sounds as if you released alot of frustration (which is good for you cause it helps), but there's also that love and concern in it that would be so much more effective if he could see it in your face. He may cover up his emotions, but if he sees the love and concern in your face, he will remember it. . .no matter how much he might want to ignore it. When he's by himself, he'll think of it. Definitely send the letter after you've had a chance to change it a little. If it comes back, send it again. Just keep sending it and don't give up and always end with how much you love and care for him (and your Mom).
Even though he's your father and he should know best doesn't take away from him being human, and unfortunately, it always seems that we hurt the ones we love most. You be the strong one for both of you and try to break through that wall he has up. It might be extremely difficult and frustrating as all heck, but that's what we do for the people we love. . .We don't give up!
I hope it works out for you (both of you). Take Care~
P4J
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The Future of the Watchtower Society and the Internet
by DT init seems that the watchtower society was very ill prepared for the advent of the internet.
perhaps, some of the governing body thought the end would come before it became a big problem.
now it is a big problem and is only going to get worse.
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To us here who understands how the Watchtower works, we can point out how obviously contradictory it is for them to discourage their members from going on the internet, yet they have their own "official" site. To add to that, there's one particular article they have posted that explains exactly who they are, although they would like for you to think otherwise. But again, since those of us who are on to their word games, we know better.
To any Jehovah's Witnesses who may be reading this for whatever reason, or anyone who is researching to try and decide if this group is right for you, I implore you to please read their article entitled "Do Not Be a Victim of Propaganda". Please read that article and truly ask yourself if they are the Educators or the Propagandists. It's in black and white and so clear cut, and there's absolutely no way that a Jehovah's Witness can read that article and not agree that the Watchtower is indeed the Propagandists. Please, you owe it to yourself to read it, and truthfully answer the questions they ask and come to YOUR OWN conclusion. For those of you who may just be researching or just starting to study with them, please keep the article where you can refer to it. I assure you, it will come in handy.
Be strong, as I'm sure some will come to the obvious conclusion. We're here to help you if you need.
Senora, Good for you! Glad you did your research and read the internet and now know what the truth really is. I only wish my daughter had a computer or even took an interest in one.
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"Pioneer " Witnesses to me in McDonald's Parking Lot / I Reverse Witness!
by flipper inso early this morning i had been working all night .
just got done eating mickeyd's in my truck , getting ready to take a nap before driving , and this jw young lady in her early 20's knocks on my closed window !
i put the window down and while forcibly handing the watchtower to me just says, " here is the watchtower !
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Hey, thanks Barbie Doll and Flipper! They are beautiful, aren't they!
My daughter that I'm trying to save from the WT loves them, which is the reason why I chose that picture.
Have a Happy Easter!
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"Pioneer " Witnesses to me in McDonald's Parking Lot / I Reverse Witness!
by flipper inso early this morning i had been working all night .
just got done eating mickeyd's in my truck , getting ready to take a nap before driving , and this jw young lady in her early 20's knocks on my closed window !
i put the window down and while forcibly handing the watchtower to me just says, " here is the watchtower !
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Good for you, Flipper!!
I'm sure since you caught her off guard and she wasn't expecting you to know, be familiar with, or even talk about any such information regarding the Watchtower, and because you delivered these facts in a nice, concerning way, she listened more intently. That glazed look seems to take over when they catch themselves doing what they're told not to do. . ."listen" to any outside information. She may have told her friend in the car everything you said, or maybe just part of it depending on her friend's reaction. She might have even made up a story to her friend to throw her off and that way she can ponder over what you said without her friend being suspicious that she may believe you. We won't know.
When I brought up the child abuse issue with my daughter, I said to her that I hope that the Watchtower is not "still" talking bad about the Roman Catholic Church and any other religions regarding this issue now that they've been found guilty of the same thing. When I said that, she looked at me with a concerned look and she was "listening" to me for a little while before I could tell she was starting to get a bit restless and fidgety because she didn't want to hear anymore. She started to feel uncomfortable when I mentioned that at least a representative from the Catholic Church admitted the crime took place and publicly apologized while the Watchtower denies, makes excuses, and still tries to hide this information from their members. Thanks for the reminder about NBC Nightly News and Dateline programs. I'll have to bring that up too one day on the off chance she might get access to a computer and check it out.
All we can do is continue to reveal the facts every chance we get.
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need advice on internet radio braodcasting and call-in - HELP
by Dogpatch ingreetings gang!.
today is st. patrick's day (i'm irish) and a new project has begun in apostate land.. gary busselman and i are going to start a radio talk show on the internet.. we need your help.. i know nothing of the technology of doing this.. i have a lot of experience on regular radio interviews and talk shows.. as far as i know i am the only "called on" cult expert los angeles, so the news services are familiar with me.. here's what i have in mind and what i need from someone out there.. first the name of the show.. we are thinking the buss and watt show: "what we meant to say.".
(watt was my nickname in the pressroom at bethel, given to me by thomas cabeen).. it will be hosted at www.armageddonokies.com .. i choose a subject to discuss, for 45-60 imn.. we have callers.. no doctrinal issues discussed whatsoever.. the theme is social behavior with a humorous bent.. don't need ideas for what talk about or who to have on or what to say, but.... i need advice on the technology of creating a talk show on internet using existing services or whatever would be best.. i already have an audience.. i would sincerely welcome your comments,.
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Randy & Gary,
It's great to see such determination and motivation in keeping awareness going and reaching out in helping people deal with this issue.
Good Luck, and I'll be checking in to see if there's anything I can do, and also to get any ideas of what I can do to enlighten people at my end of the world.
Reading your posts alone, gives me hope.
Thanks~