Posts by gumby

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Ex-dubs in Southern Ca.

by jterfehr in

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any ex dubs in the so cal area?

i am in the desert near palm springs.

just had two families over last night (ex dubs all) and we had a great time.

gumby

I used to live in the pomona/chino area back in the 60's and 70's. I was born there and left when I was 19 and raised a witness. Moved to ariz.(wickenburg) for 16 years.
Now live in northern cal.

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protesters against JWs at WTC on 9/11?

by concerned fiance in

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my fiance's mother, who is in complete hysteria since the attack on 9/11 and went back to being a witness after 10 years (clearly the main reason my fiance is now considering he should go back)told my fiance something that she heard from one of the elders last week.

i am not sure if it is true and most likely, there is no way to prove it.

she said that on the day of the attack, there was a group of people outside the wtc screaming and badmouthing jws because they don't fly the flag etc.

gumby

I don't think the story was meant to indicate jehovah caused the attack to get the apostates......i hope not!

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Our town just got hit by terrorists!!!!!!!!!!

by MrMoe in

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my boss just called on a cell phone - he went to arby's for lunch and 3 people of arabic decent ran in an threw some sort of chemical on the floor and ran out.

us 41 was closed and he is being quarantined.

i am worried - hope he is ok. hopefully this is a fluke, but i just don't know.

gumby

Hey rem:
You said"Interesting that I don't have the same reaction to any of my posts, and the same can be said of most others on this board. Perhaps there is something different about your approach that tends to make people react in this manner?
What do you mean by "reaction" and.....how can you say "others don't have the same reaction"...have you read all other posts?

JUUUUUUUUUUUST KIDDING!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

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Getting U.N. scandal to the press

by detective in

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has anyone attempted to contact the press about the united nations scandal?

as i've mentioned on an earlier thread, i am not in a position to notify the press myself but would like to contribute some information for those of you who might be interested in contacting the press.

here are some press sources for the boston area:.

gumby

I just sent the "hyperlink" to the "Boston Globe on the article.
Here is what I sent:

Subj: Jehovah's witnesses as members of the UNITED NATIONS scandle
Date: 10/08/2001 8:32:32 PM !!!First Boot!!!
From: Larrysonly
To: [email protected]

TO THE EDITOR:
Please see the hyperlink to this story. I feel you would want to print this. Guardian Unlimited | The Guardian | Jehovah's Witnesses link to UN queried

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The problem with the Guardian article re WT-UN

by comment in

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gumby

The article:
Jehovah's Witnesses link to UN queried

Sect accused of hypocrisy over association with organisation it has demonised.

Stephen Bates, religious affairs correspondent
Monday October 8, 2001
The Guardian

The United Nations is being asked to investigate why it has granted associate status to the Jehovah's Witnesses, the fundamentalist US-based Christian sect, which regards it as the scarlet beast predicted in the Book of Revelation.
Disaffected members of the 6m-strong group, which has 130,000 followers in the UK, have accused the Witnesses' elderly governing body of hypocrisy in secretly accepting links with an organisation that they continue to denounce in apocalyptic terms.

The UN itself admitted yesterday that it was surprised that the sect, whose formal name is the Watchtower Bible and Tract Society of New York, had been accepted on its list of non-governmental organisations for the last 10 years.

A former member said: "There is a glaring inconsistency which has emerged between the WTBTS's frequent portrayal of the UN as an evil organisation and its behind-the-scenes attempts to curry favour with that organisation. Were individual members to be aware of any formal link they would be devastated.

"By no stretch of the imagination could the WTBTS be considered to share the ideals of the UN charter unless you suppose that destruction of the UN by God is consistent with that charter."

The Witnesses, most frequently encountered by non-members when they attempt to make doorstep conversions, have faced accusations of bad faith before.

These have been most notably over the hierarchy's insistence that members should not accept blood transfusions and over accusations that sexual abuse of children by Witnesses' ministers in the US have been covered up.

Followers who criticise the Witnesses' leaders or question their decisions are routinely "disfellowshipped" which means fellow members including their families must shun them.

An obscure and ill-publicised decision by the hierarchy in New York last year modifying the prohibition on transfusions by deeming that God had revealed to them that transfusions of some blood components might be acceptable, providing there was later repentance, has come too late for many hundreds of followers known to have died because they refused blood.

In child abuse cases, the hierarchy insists there must be two independent witnesses - an almost impossible stipulation - before accusations are investigated.

The Watchtower Society has been denouncing the UN and its predecessor the League of Nations for 80 years, believing them to be a world empire of false religion, predicted in the Book of Revelation.

A recent publication since the organisation obtained its recognition describes the UN as "a disgusting thing in the sight of God and his people".

In an internal document, the WTBTS describes its policy as a "theocratic war strategy". It claims: "In time of spiritual warfare it is proper to misdirect the enemy by hiding the truth. It is done unselfishly; it does not harm anyone; on the contrary it does much good."

Being a recognised NGO with the United Nations - as more than 1,500 organisations are - gives status though not grants.

To qualify, organisations must show that they share the ideals of the charter, operate on a non-profit basis, "demonstrate interest in UN issues and proven ability to reach large or specialised audiences" and have the commitment and means to conduct effective information programmes about UN activities.

Disaffected Witnesses believe that the association, which has not been publicised to followers, is intended to increase the cult's respectability to sceptical governments, such as France's, which have refused to recognise it.

Paul Gillies, the Witnesses' spokesman in Britain, said: "We do not have hostile attitudes to governing bodies and if we are making representations on issues to the UN we will do so."

"There are good and bad bodies just as there are good and bad politicians. We believe what the Book of Revelation tells us but we do not actively try to change the political system."

A spokeswoman for the UN said: "I think we may not be aware of their attitude, which seems to be really strange."

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Our town just got hit by terrorists!!!!!!!!!!

by MrMoe in

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my boss just called on a cell phone - he went to arby's for lunch and 3 people of arabic decent ran in an threw some sort of chemical on the floor and ran out.

us 41 was closed and he is being quarantined.

i am worried - hope he is ok. hopefully this is a fluke, but i just don't know.

gumby

Hey moe.....sorry chickadee. I guess I was a "smarty pants" I did figure it was florida but thought just maybe you lived somewhere else but florida put out the story first.
I like your posts and hope you can toughen up on this board as it can put a person on edge with some of the posts.
Keep up your good concern for others.

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Our town just got hit by terrorists!!!!!!!!!!

by MrMoe in

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friends

my boss just called on a cell phone - he went to arby's for lunch and 3 people of arabic decent ran in an threw some sort of chemical on the floor and ran out.

us 41 was closed and he is being quarantined.

i am worried - hope he is ok. hopefully this is a fluke, but i just don't know.

gumby

Quote: Well - they didn't even give me TIME to answer thier question. They just started attacking. Unreal - this is why I don't post much anymore.
Why didn't you post my suggestion on where you live in this post then?

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I called Brooklyn

by mommy in

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well the other thread has gotten long concerning the association of te wtbts and the un so i started this one here.

i just got off the phone with a man in patterson concerning this issue and i will post most of convo here.. first of all if you do call beware they play kingdom melodies when you are on hold!.

ok a man answers the phone giving me his first name.

gumby

If it was a "Historical Thing"....they would not have their name on the list as CURRENT members.

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Our town just got hit by terrorists!!!!!!!!!!

by MrMoe in

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friends

my boss just called on a cell phone - he went to arby's for lunch and 3 people of arabic decent ran in an threw some sort of chemical on the floor and ran out.

us 41 was closed and he is being quarantined.

i am worried - hope he is ok. hopefully this is a fluke, but i just don't know.

gumby

MrMoe: If you could either say..."I don't want to say where I live" or say where you live....it would eliminate people getting mad for you not answering their question. Just trying to be helpfull.

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Hey There ! All You Disfellowshipped Ones!

by Englishman in

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is your anger with the jw religion due mainly to the fact that you have been df'd?

is it possible that persons who post here who are not disfellowshipped can feel as angry as those who are being shunned and who are therefore being effectively gagged?.

is the df'ing policy of the wtbts the main reason that ex-jw's seem to go all out to get other witnesses out of the org?

gumby

ENGLISHMAN:
Is your anger with the JW religion due mainly to the fact that you have been DF'd? My reason(s) for being angered at the wts is many.
They are false in their claims of being the truth and all others are doomed.
They controll the lives of millions by insistance in belief that God has given a few within, to dictate to all of the others, what is correct in God's mind as to HOW we believe.
They have cost the lives of thousands with wrong teaching's in the medical feild...Blood policy and changes, organ transplants, vaccinations, as being forbidden and has now been approved.

Quote: Is it possible that persons who post here who are not disfellowshipped can feel as angry as those who are being shunned and who are therefore being effectively gagged?

I think a different TYPE of anger can be felt towards the witnesses from ones who are affected by them who are not witnesses themselves.
A non witness mate for example, could have anger at his or her mate who IS a witness, because their life with the witness is greatly affected by the things the witness must or must not do which the non witness mate opposes.

Quote: Is the DF'ing policy of the WTBTS the main reason that ex-JW's seem to go all out to get other witnesses out of the org? Would you try to get someone to leave if you had the opportunity

No, it is not the main reason for most , in my opinion. It is for the reasons already mentioned.
Yes I would encourage anyone I could NOT to get involved.That's human kindness and concern.

Quote: If you had been allowed to quietly cease associating without penalty, how would you then feel then about the JW faith?

I would still have all the reasons I mentioned , not to approve of them . I think my anger could be much less, as being shunned is very painful emotionaly and results in anger ......especially when you realize they are NOT the truth ,and not God's only people. I think if your case is the latter, the anger is a different type.