Gumby:"Bible study requires us to study the Bible. So what book, chapter and verse are we starting with?"
Ummm.....I wasn't the one who said this. You need to look at that post a second time. Maybe even a third
Gumby
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121Does God REALLY exist? (An Attempt at an Online Bible Study)
by theMartian inwith the global village now teaching evolution as an absolute fact, and the 'creation museum' making a mockery of the bible, any bible study should begin with this question!
however, the biggest hinderence to learning truth is clinging to concepts we've accepted as 'truth' without being willing to take a closer look at other possibilities.. i ask that ridiculers have fun on other postings, so that it might be possible to enjoy comparing what we have learned, how we see things- and also share what we have found to be facts-truth!.
(and i will not "count the time", as promised; that's unimportant to me, anyhow!).
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NOT AGAIN! That's right folks, once again we are now 'very close' 2 the end
by needproof ini have received word that we are now 'very, very close'.
at the sunday meeting, according to my trusted source, the speaker actually said that 'it is no longer years, nor months - yet weeks and days'.
so they need you back, now!
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Quandry asked how the society came up with 1872. They were off by 100 years as shown here,
God's Kingdom Of A Thousand Years Has Approached. 1973. pp. 206, 209
It is true that the editor and publisher of Zion's Watch Tower and Herald of Christ's Second Presence calculated that the "presence" or parousia of the heavenly bridegroom began in the year 1874 C.E.
In the year 1943 the Watch Tower Bible and Tract Society published the book "The Truth Shall Make You Free." In its chapter 11, entitled "The Count of Time" it did away with the insertion of 100 years into the period of the Judges and went according to the oldest and most authentic reading of Acts 13:20, and accepted the spelled-out numbers of the Hebrew Scriptures. This moved forward the end of six thousand years of man's existence into the decade of the 1970's. Naturally this did away with the year 1874 C.E. as the date of return of the Lord Jesus Christ and the beginning of his invisible presence or parousia.
Here were some more dates of that era,
Zion's Watch Tower and Herald of Christ's Presence May 1 1881
We would like to correct this misapprehension once for all, by stating that we do not expect Jesus to come this year, nor any other year, for we believe that all time prophecies (bearing upon Jesus' coming) ended at and before the fall of 1874, and that He came there, and the second advent is now in progress and will continue during the entire Millennial age. We believe that his presence will be revealed to the eyes of men's understandings gradually during this 'Day of the Lord,' (forty years - from 1874 to 1914,) as it now is to ours; except that we, discern it through the word of prophecy revealed by the Spirit, and they will recognize his presence by His judgment upon Nominal Zion, and the World.
The Watchtower Reprints, January 15, 1892, p. 1355
The date of the close of that ‘battle’ is definitely marked in Scripture as October, 1914. It is already in progress, its beginning dating from October, 1874.
The Watchtower Reprints, July 15, 1905, p. 3576
[Charts showing 1874 date as start of times of trouble; 1914 as the end of armageddon.
Gumby
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Does God REALLY exist? (An Attempt at an Online Bible Study)
by theMartian inwith the global village now teaching evolution as an absolute fact, and the 'creation museum' making a mockery of the bible, any bible study should begin with this question!
however, the biggest hinderence to learning truth is clinging to concepts we've accepted as 'truth' without being willing to take a closer look at other possibilities.. i ask that ridiculers have fun on other postings, so that it might be possible to enjoy comparing what we have learned, how we see things- and also share what we have found to be facts-truth!.
(and i will not "count the time", as promised; that's unimportant to me, anyhow!).
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Since this topic is about the God of the Bible, what convinces me that he doesn't exist is, as Richard Dawkins said, that he must be the most unpleasant character in all fiction.
In addition, the only positive evidence for his existence seems to be anecdotal stories from people who claim to have interacted with him. A person who today claims to have such experiences is invariably viewed as a lunatic.
First off we all know that Mr.AllanF is the most dangerous influence to the ex-jw community that being he's the most respected apologist representing the ex-jw community as represented by the comments made by the majority here at JWD, the biggest "scum on the dubs" site in the internet world with the latest info that can be found concerning Jehovah's Witnesses .......(takes a breath) and so we all need to be carefull brothers and sister that we do not adopt his apostate veiws that are leading many astray and into the darkness that exists outside where Satan and his demons reside awaiting their final destruction that's soon to be upon them in these final "days" of this old system of things. *has an alzheimers moment*
On a serious note, he makes a good point that many fail to see when discussing "god" on JWD.
He clarified it's 'the god of the bible' that most here are speaking of when discussing what god is like. He's always concieved as a "just and merciful" god and a god of 'love'. This is why so many say "there can't be a god because there is suffering in the world". Everyone assumes there is no creator because they usually assume posters are talking about Jehovah or his son Jesus as the true creators. This kind of thinking limits a persons ability to think any other way. however, there are many here who think beyond the box we grew up in an realise maybe any life-giver that might exist out there, perhaps isn't anything like what they concieve him as.
This is where we bump heads in our conflicts we have on these types of threads, that being our view of god isn't always what another persons idea of god is or might be like. So, when ones say a creator can't exist because he is too mean (as is he is portrayed in the O.T. in slaughtering countless lives) and a god of love would not do that, they are making valid points when they say they cannot believe the god of the bible actually exists......too many contradictions within itself.
: A person who today claims to have such experiences is invariably viewed as a lunatic.
Another good point I liked that's overlooked too much in the "bible believing" community here at JWD. Nobody ever discusses why god stopped verbally conversing and dealing with man as he did all throughout time, at least as recorded in the bible. Why did he? It couldn't be "when he gave us the bible" answer that is often given. He dealt with people without books before....why did he stop just because men recorded it all. Did god ever ask men to write a book called the Bible? He gave "his people" laws and reminded them to read those laws to one another......but did he command a book to be written for ALL of mankind?
Anyway, just wanted to comment on a point I've wanted to make long ago and this was a good time to do it since he brought it up. Actually, I had something other than this to say but when I started typing, I lost my whole point. *reminds self it's time to quit the damn weed and hits self in the eyebrow with an old brown service shoe*.
If I think of it, I'll just edit this one
Gumramblin
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Does God REALLY exist? (An Attempt at an Online Bible Study)
by theMartian inwith the global village now teaching evolution as an absolute fact, and the 'creation museum' making a mockery of the bible, any bible study should begin with this question!
however, the biggest hinderence to learning truth is clinging to concepts we've accepted as 'truth' without being willing to take a closer look at other possibilities.. i ask that ridiculers have fun on other postings, so that it might be possible to enjoy comparing what we have learned, how we see things- and also share what we have found to be facts-truth!.
(and i will not "count the time", as promised; that's unimportant to me, anyhow!).
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This study will never end with any "proof" being shown.....so why try?
God has not spoke nor shown himself to anyone on this board so how can you ask someone to "prove" he exists? Nor can anyone "prove" he does not exist.
Study is over..lets all stand and thank Jehovah and go to bed.
Gumby
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Has anyone ever played with a ouija board?
by delilah inthis past weekend, we met a new couple in our campground, and the conversation soon came 'round to the supernatural.
the lady said she has had quite a few supernatural experiences, and that she plays her own home-made version of the ouija board.
my husband was all excited and begged her to play .
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The subliminal images in the Watchtower have been proven.
Oh really? So, when I see the word JAH hidden on the coatsleeve of a woman in one of the pics.......that's supposed to make me serve Jah or what?
If I see a demon face hidden in one of the pics how does that convey a message to me from the WTBTS?
Give me a break
Gumby
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NOT AGAIN! That's right folks, once again we are now 'very close' 2 the end
by needproof ini have received word that we are now 'very, very close'.
at the sunday meeting, according to my trusted source, the speaker actually said that 'it is no longer years, nor months - yet weeks and days'.
so they need you back, now!
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Studies in the Scriptures Vol. 2, 1906 ***
"Six Thousand years from the creation of Adam were complete in A.D. 1872, and hence that since A.D. 1872, we chronologically entered upon the seventh thousand or the Millenium".
That's nuthin, i'm 135 years into the New System as we speak and my nutsac STILL has ugly wrinkles in it, I've yet to see a kid playing on top of the hole of a cobra, haven't seen a lion lying with a lamb....in fact I haven't seen one DAMN LION, I don't own one damn vine or fig tree to sit under, and they haven't beaten any spears into plowshears so to speak. I want my damn money back!!!!
Gumripped-off
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July KM - warning against active apostates - summary
by dozy inthe question box in july deals with the internet - mainly concerned with children on myspace & similar sites -mentioning that your child could be talking to paedophiles , dfd ones or even "active apostates" .
the main article deals with the - "exciting" and "thrilling" news of the new wt arrangement (maybe some people should get out more).
nothing new in the article , which has as the sole justification the need no longer to explain "theocratic" terms like "pioneer" , but it does seem that the awake will be tailored more to non-christian people.
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This is from the "Flock books" on how the society see's apostasy.
Apostasy.
Apostasy is a standing away from, a falling away, defec-
tion, rebellion, abandonment; it involves teaching false
doctrines, supporting or promoting false religion and its
holidays or interfaith activities. (Deut. 13:13, 15; Josh.
22:22, ftn.; Acts 21:21, ftn.; 2 Cor. 6:14, 15, 17, 18;
2. John 7, 9, 10; Rev. 18:4)Those with sincere doubts should be helped, dealt with
mercifully. (Jude 22, 23; w82 9/1 pp. 20-1;w80 8/1
pp. 21-2)Apostasy includes action taken against true worship of
Jehovah or his established order among his dedicated
people. (Jer. 17:13; 23:15; 28:15, 16; 2 Thess. 2:9, 10)Persons who deliberately spread (stubbornly hold to and
speak about) teachings contrary to Bible truth as taught
by Jehovah's Witnesses are apostates.If it is learned that a person has taken up association with
another religious organization, the matter should be inves-
tigated, and if verified, a committee should be formed.If it is clearly established that the person has joined
another religion and intends to remain with it, the94
"Pay Attention to Yourselves and to All the Flock"
elders would make a brief announcement to the congre-
gation that such- one has disassociated himself. (w86
10/15 p. 31 )Working secularly for a false religious organization could
put one in a position similar to that of one preaching false
doctrine. (2 Cor. 6:14-16)Celebrating a false religious holiday would be similar to
performing any other act of false worship. (Jer. 7:16-19)The Bible condemns the following:
Causing divisions and promoting sects.
This would be deliberate action disrupting the unity
of the congregation or undermining the confidence
of the brothers in Jehovah's arrangement.It may involve or lead to apostasy. (Rom. 16:
17, 18; Titus 3:10, 11 )Gumby
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Is it only me, or is there a definite....
by Stealth453 in....air of sexual tension on the board tonight?.
takers?????
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Full moons always make me non-flaccid
Gumhorny
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July KM - warning against active apostates - summary
by dozy inthe question box in july deals with the internet - mainly concerned with children on myspace & similar sites -mentioning that your child could be talking to paedophiles , dfd ones or even "active apostates" .
the main article deals with the - "exciting" and "thrilling" news of the new wt arrangement (maybe some people should get out more).
nothing new in the article , which has as the sole justification the need no longer to explain "theocratic" terms like "pioneer" , but it does seem that the awake will be tailored more to non-christian people.
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The main article deals with the - "exciting" and "thrilling" news of the new WT arrangement (maybe some people should get out more). Nothing new in the article , which has as the sole justification the need no longer to explain "theocratic" terms like "pioneer" , but it does seem that the Awake will be tailored more to non-Christian people.
Are you sure it didn't also discuss the new magazine arrangement? One Watchtower will be for publishers with the study articles included.....and one will be for the public. Not sure when this starts.
Narkster,
As for apostates, the society has used various explanations as to who qualifies as an apostate.
1) any who actively promote anti-watchtower ideas. This is done verbally to others and can include active campaigning
2) any who confess to the elders they no longer believe this is Jehovahs organisation.
3) Joining another church
4) Ones who start their own nutsack shinning buisness
Gumby
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The Bible Says that Jesus is God - Definately
by Sirona ini am not a bible believer.
i have a question for those of you who are bible believers.
if you believe that jesus is not god, how do you justify the following:.
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I just wanna know who was running the show while Jesus was in the ground for 3 days. I'm thinkin it was Jesus's pa....'ol Jehovah. Seems like everything went to shit ever since Jesus was in the tomb.
Gumby