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  Noah's ark - Can't believe I once actually thought it was true

  by sam_sane_now in

  1. watchtower
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  when i was a jw i didn't even question that the noah's ark story might not be true.

  i didn't realise that it wasn't achievable for a handful of people to gather literally millions of animals - two of each kind - and fit them into a boat where they would all survive for many days.

  i didn't think about the fact that if the highest mountain was covered with water then how could plant life like trees and flowers come to exist again, especially so soon after, with the raven grabbing an olive leaf was it?

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  --The Orwellian World Of Jehovah's Witnesses, Heather and Gary Botting

  That's a great passage. I've never heard of this book, but it's on Amazon and you can read a preview on Google Books. I'm gonna order it right now. Thanks.
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  Noah's ark - Can't believe I once actually thought it was true

  by sam_sane_now in

  1. watchtower
  2. beliefs

  when i was a jw i didn't even question that the noah's ark story might not be true.

  i didn't realise that it wasn't achievable for a handful of people to gather literally millions of animals - two of each kind - and fit them into a boat where they would all survive for many days.

  i didn't think about the fact that if the highest mountain was covered with water then how could plant life like trees and flowers come to exist again, especially so soon after, with the raven grabbing an olive leaf was it?

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  Gary, the biggest problem with your example is that witnesses tend to flip it around and say "isn't it wonderful that Jehovah was able to provide for the Israelites so they could get through such an impossible situation!"

  I don't have that much problem with "Jehovah provided", I guess, if you have already made the leap that he exists and this was his will. What I have a major problem with is why he sent down a legion of angels every morning with brooms and dustbusters to get rid of all evidence that that huge mass of people were ever there! Or for that matter why he went and destroyed all the evidence they were ever in Egypt at all! Was it just to make it harder for future generations to believe his written word? I think it's hard enough to believe without him stacking the deck like that.
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  Einstein on God....Rare Letter At Auction

  by hillary_step in

  1. jw
  2. friends

  this rare letter gives us a good insight into the 'religious' views of einstein, oft quoted by mainstream religionists in the hope that they could glean from him some allusion to his belief in a conventional 'god'.. why his views on god or even the rear end of marilyn monroe would be of much interest has always eluded me, but it is just as well that we all know that einstein did not believe in any god, at least not in the conventional sense, so that defenders of the bible and a god free of sociopathy are not tempted to haul his einsteined majesty before the court of debate again.. http://www.ctv.ca/servlet/articlenews/story/ctvnews/20080513/einstein_letter_080513/20080513?hub=scitech.

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  Galileo

  Vinny, Einstein said people with your beliefs are weak and childish. I think that's what you should take away from this. You have proven him correct in dramatic fashion tonight.
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  An Interesting YouTube debate I had with a JW

  by B_Deserter in

  1. jw
  2. experiences

  so most of you have probably seen my youtube video what you should know about jehovah's witnesses, which can be found here.

  naturally, this draws quite a negative response from the jw community, but this particular person decided to send me a personal message.. you wanna talk smack about witnesses or anyone in general you better have your facts straight.

  everything you said is taken almost enitrly out of context to our true practices.

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  Galileo

  It's sad when you have to educate someone about what they believe before you tell them why it's wrong. You did a nice job with this dimwit.
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  My Wife Is Getting A Sheparding Call

  by sacolton in

  1. jw
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  i've disassociated myself since february.

  i made no secret of my disapproval of the wtbts and was very vocal to my doubts of it being god's true organization on earth to the po.

  now, the po and another elder has scheduled to talk with my wife tonight for a sheparding call at the home of the book study.

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  Galileo

  Not only will she view this as spiritual endangerment but she will likely get an undue amount of attention from Single brothers who are looking for her out for her "spiritual health".

  This is exactly how I lost my wife. I wrote about it here: http://www.jehovahs-witness.com/7/155013/1.ashx

  ...After that, she gave up on me. I could see it in her eyes. Her love for me was gone. She began coming home later and later, going directly to bed without saying a word unless I spoke to her. Eventually she developed a relationship with a very attractive younger ministerial servant. In him I know she saw the man I once was, because that’s exactly what I saw when I looked at him. After a few months of this, when I began to realize how close they were becoming, I asked her to put an end to it for the sake of our marriage. She moved out instead.

  It is very difficult to keep a marriage together when one spouse is a strict JW and one has moved on. I wish you the best of luck.
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  Why do many of us keep refering to IT as "THE TRUTH"?

  by ldrnomo in

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  because that was the name the borg placed on it's religion, "the truth" it seems to be stuck with many of us.

  i am making a concious effort to not refer to it as "the truth".. it is not the truth, it is not the way, and it is definitley not the life!.

  so let's stop it people!.

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  Galileo

  I stopped referring to it as "The Truth" when I was still involved. I realized that was part of their mind control. Now that I'm out (more or less), I have gone back to using that term ironically from time to time. I find it to be a reminder of how deep they once had their tendrils into my brain. "THERE..ARE...FOUR...LIGHTS!" (Star Trek http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=o_eSwq1ewsU )
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  What's the BEST thing about being "out" of the "truth"?

  by B_Deserter in

  1. jw
  2. experiences

  for me, it's having friends that i don't have to hide my lack of meeting attendance/service from.

  it's amazing how they teach you that only jws can be your real friends, but in reality, it's all contingent upon your religious "performance.

  " sure, if you're not going to meetings, they'll try to be "friends," by encouraging you to go back.

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  Was there really a BEST thing about being "in" the "truth"?

  Absolutely! Seeing all the young hot "sisters" dressed up for the meeting! Sometimes I still go, almost exclusively for that reason. I like to sit behind a particularly hot "sister" and stare at her ass during prayer.
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  What's Your MAIN Reason For Not Believing In "The Truth"?

  by minimus in

  1. jw
  2. friends

  my mother had this discussion yesterday.

  basically, my main argument was that if the fds gets jehovah's holy spirit and their "food" is "the truth", yet they always are correcting themselves, how can anyone in all fairness believe it's "the truth"??

  you can't show scripturally why organ transplants are a form of cannibalism and clearly a disfellowshipping offense and a couple of years later after possible disfellowshippings or death, and then believe jehovah god changed his view suddenly.

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  For me, losing faith in "The Truth" paralelled my losing faith in the bible in general. It's hard to remember which was first. Realizing that there are witten and archaeological histories of societies such as the Sumerian and Egyptian that predate the supposed Noachian flood and continue unbroken straight through the time it supposedly occured was a pretty major blow. But the death knell was probably learning that the indisputable date of Jerusalem's destruction by Babylon was in 587-586 B.C.E. and not 607 as the GB taught. Without 607, 1914 was totally meaningless, and 1914 was the one piece of evidence they seemed to have on their side, flimsy as it was. Take that away, and what's left?:

  "Believe what we say because we're annointed by God!"

  "OK, how do you know you're annointed?"

  "We know because we have a feeling that we are!"

  "OK, I guess that is proof enough for you, but I don't share that feeling. How do I know you are?"

  "You know because we told you that we have a feeling!"

  That just doesn't work for me. There are many people that are convinced they are god's representative. Ever heard of the Jerusalem Syndrome? I try not to believe in anything without evidence.
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  What's Your MAIN Reason For Not Believing In "The Truth"?

  by minimus in

  1. jw
  2. friends

  my mother had this discussion yesterday.

  basically, my main argument was that if the fds gets jehovah's holy spirit and their "food" is "the truth", yet they always are correcting themselves, how can anyone in all fairness believe it's "the truth"??

  you can't show scripturally why organ transplants are a form of cannibalism and clearly a disfellowshipping offense and a couple of years later after possible disfellowshippings or death, and then believe jehovah god changed his view suddenly.

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  Trust those who are searching for the truth, mistrust those who have found it!!!!

  I believe the quote you're referencing is Andre Gide:

  "Believe those who are seeking the truth. Doubt those who find it."
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  Crisis Mode! Advice please!

  by 5thGeneration in

  1. jw
  2. friends

  i am in deep shite!.

  haven't been to a meeting for a year.

  rumours are rampant in canada as my family is 'prominent'.. p.o.

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  Galileo

  I agree with Missing Link. I know it's easier said then done, but it sounds like the cat's out of the bag now anyway. He's clearly talked to the PO and knows you aren't going. Time to face it head on.