Posts by lancelink

they claim that all of their beliefs and actions are based on the scriptures, so how can they justify 9,10 year olds, or even early teens getting baptized?

jesus was 29, john the baptist was the same age or a year older.

all of the others i recall from the ot & nt were adults.

lancelink

Great thread, i appreciated all the comments.

i was a witness for over 25 years, and not once did I question the WT stand on baptism !

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where do you draw the line ?

by lancelink in

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last night i was talking to my son (24 years old) and he was telling me about his life growing up as a jw, .

very frustrating for him, he couldn't have friends from school over, no joining clubs, sports, etc - etc.. but a very interesting point was made, and i never thought about it and it has been rolling around all day.

as morphius said.

lancelink

Last night I was talking to my son (24 years old) and he was telling me about his life growing up as a JW,

Very frustrating for him, he couldn't have friends from school over, no joining clubs, sports, etc - etc.

But a very interesting point was made, and I never thought about it and it has been rolling around all day. as Morphius said

"Like a splinter in your mind" type of thought.

He said that soccer is one of the most popular sports in the world today, and do YOU know how it got started ?

A culture of people (I forgot who he said they were) would kick the heads of people killed or sacrificed around a field.

As a JW I played this game quite often with no repercussions from anyone.

Yet why is it that JW's will have nothing to do with Christmas, or any other holidays, yet soccer is OK ?

It may sound somewhat strange, but I thought he made a good point. Playing a game that got its start from when people were murdered

is alright. Yet a holiday (Christmas) is taboo from any angle for the jw's.

Where is the line for good / bad drawn, and who draws it ?

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Just back from the sunday session on the Kepp on the watch convention.

by Belly in

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lancelink

"im gunna adopt more of a live and let live attitude. And in retrospect i can laugh at the nonsense they belive so firmly in a nostaligic way rather than a resentful way."

thanks for the statement,

I have been trying to follow this thought myself, it is difficult.

In order to move on I think your right.

It does becomes more nostalgic with time.

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France event ??

by lancelink in

this message was emailed to me today,,.

historic event in france!!!!!!.

we would like to share with you an experience related by .

lancelink

OK, let me try this one more time,,,, sorry :

Historic EVENT IN FRANCE !!!!!!

We would like to share with you an experience related by
brother Baudril, from the Hospital Liaison Committee,
during a recent circuit assembly in Marseilles .
Margo, a premature baby, born at 30 weeks gestation, weighing
only 1.2 kg (2.65 lbs) with a very low blood count, the
doctors feel it important to administer a blood transfusion. The parents,
Jehovah's Witnesses, contact the H.L.C.. A process is started, faxes are sent, and
the brothers propose to the doctors if they would accept to administer
erythroproeteine (EPO, synthetic hormones which stimulate the production
of red blood cells) for three days. The doctors accept, and the Bethel supplied the product. After 3 days the blood count stabilises. The brothers propose a fourth day of EPO and the count rises. So the treatment is approved and
continued. Margo, who was nicknamed, ''Little fighter'' was saved. This was a first in France . So the doctors decide to try this treatment on other premature babies, and they
obtain the same results. This treatment is then established for all premature
babies in the Pediatric Service dep't in the hospital of Purpan , in Toulouse .

The media would not, of course, dispense this information. But as the
brother said in his talk, we don't need media publicity, we prefer
to give a personal witness to touch the hearts of people. That's what was
done in this case, especially to the medical personnel who witnessed
personally the procedure and the devotion of the H.L.C., and did
not hesitate to say: " And we say that Jehovah's witnesses don't give
medical treatment to their children'', as well as the parents of other
premature babies that have benefited and had their lives saved
because of the treatment proposed by the HLC, who made
themselves available to discuss with the brothers and give further explanations and details.

Don't you
think that a very great witness to Jehovah has been given
on
this occasion?

Please do not hesitate to
relate this beautiful experience to all the
brothers
and sisters in your vicinity. This is a situation that
can
serve us well in the preaching work to refute
those who contradict
about blood
transfusions.

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France event ??

by lancelink in

this message was emailed to me today,,.

historic event in france!!!!!!.

we would like to share with you an experience related by .

lancelink

This message was emailed to me today ,,

Historic EVENT IN FRANCE!!!!!!

We would like to share with you an experience related by
brother Baudril, from the Hospital Liaison Committee,
during a recent circuit assembly in Marseilles.

Margo, a premature baby, born at 30 weeks gestation, weighing
only 1.2 kg (2.65 lbs) with a very low blood count, the
doctors feel it important to administer a blood transfusion. The parents, Jehovah's Witnesses,contact
the H.L.C.. A process is started, faxes are sent, and
the brothers propose to the doctors if they would
accept to administer erythroproeteine (EPO, synthetic
hormones which stimulate the production of
red blood cells) for three days. The doctors accept, and the Bethel supplied
the product. After 3 days the blood count stabilises. The brothers propose a fourth day of EPO and the count rises. So the treatment is approved and
continued. Margo, who was nicknamed, ''Little
fighter'' was saved. This was a first in France. So the doctors
decide to try this treatment on other
premature babies, and they
obtain the same results. This treatment is then established for all
premature babies in the Pediatric Service dep't in the hospital of Purpan,
in Toulouse.

The media would not, of course, dispense this information. But as the
brother said in his talk, we don't need media publicity, we prefer
to give a personal witness to touch the hearts of
people. That's what was done in this case, especially
to the medical personnel who witnessed personally the
procedure and the devotion of the H.L.C., and did not
hesitate to say: " And we say that Jehovah's witnesses don't give
medical treatment to their children'', as well as the parents of other
premature babies that have benefited and had their lives saved
because of the treatment proposed by the HLC, who made
themselves available to discuss with the brothers and
give further explanations and details.
Don't you think that a very great witness to Jehovah has been given
on this occasion?

Please do not hesitate to
relate this beautiful experience to all the
brothers
and sisters in your vicinity. This is a situation that
can
serve us well in the preaching work to refute
those who contradict
about blood
transfusions.

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Tedd kennedy statement

by lancelink in

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friends

i was three years old when jfk was shot.. hardly remember bobby dying.. yet with all the tedd kennedy stuff on the news this week, i was just thinking about how this family has affected so many people over the years.. and still while reading about ted's life, his problems / triumphs / sorrows and joys, a little comment was printed that really grabbed my attention.. the kennedy's were all catholic, and it seems that ted had a really powerful opinion about religion:.

" i am an american and catholic, i love my country and treasure my faith, but i do not assume that my conception of patriotism or policy is unvariably correct.

or that my convictions about religion should command any greater respect than any other faith in this pluralistic society.. i believe that there surely is such a thing as truth, but who among us can claim a monopoly on it ?

lancelink

I was three years old when JFK was shot.

Hardly remember Bobby dying.

Yet with all the Tedd kennedy stuff on the news this week, I was just thinking about how this family has affected so many people over the years.

And still while reading about Ted's life, his problems / triumphs / sorrows and joys, a little comment was printed that really grabbed my attention.

The Kennedy's were all Catholic, and it seems that Ted had a really powerful opinion about religion:

" I am an American and Catholic, I love my country and treasure my faith, but I do not assume that my conception of patriotism or policy is unvariably correct. Or that my convictions about religion should command any greater respect than any other faith in this pluralistic society.

I believe that there surely is such a thing as truth, but who among us can claim a monopoly on it ?

It made me think about the attitude the witnesses carry around, arrogant and hardnosed, VS openminded, and empathetic

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PRIVATE PROPERTY! KEEP OUT!

by highdose in

how many times have we all seen that sign in the minstry?

also " no salesman" , " no harkers" etc.

in my congo it was the policy to ignore these completly, the poor people who just wanted to be left alone never had a chance.. i on the otherhand used to use it as an exhuse to fast forward on to the next house and finish up the ministry quicker.... what was your experiance?.

lancelink

I was told by the CO back in the late 1970's that we should not offer anything for sale at these doors.

That way if the police were called, we could not be lumped in with "solicitors"

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encouraging JW "nighmare" stories

by lancelink in

recently i was thinking back over the years, and thought about the horrible stories the watchtower published hoping that.

the rank and file would be encouraged, or think of ways to improve their own life.. instead of a heartwarming, or upbuilding story, it was something found in the ultimate gloom story.. the worst i can remember was back in the early 1980's, my oldest son was just born, and in some magazine / book there was a story about a. sister who was being persecuted.. she also had just given birth, and the persons who were doing the persecuting had the mother locked, or tied up and had the baby lay right outside of her reach.. all she had to do was renounce her faith, and the baby would be returned to her.. i don't remember how the story ended, but that just scared the s**t out of my wife and i. no way could i put a religion above the life of my child in that situation.. but i do remember the moral of the story was for us to "build up our spirituality" because things like this will happen soon.. good grief, this was 25 years ago, and it really made a mark on me for years.

yet i always knew that religion would be #2 in a situation like that.. and for years i felt unworthy because i did not have the correct mindset crafted by the wt society regarding this type of situation.. anyone else have a personal experience like this ?

lancelink

Recently I was thinking back over the years, and thought about the horrible stories the watchtower published hoping that

the rank and file would be encouraged, or think of ways to improve their own life.

Instead of a heartwarming, or upbuilding story, it was something found in the ultimate gloom story.

The worst I can remember was back in the early 1980's, my oldest son was just born, and in some magazine / book there was a story about a

sister who was being persecuted.

She also had just given birth, and the persons who were doing the persecuting had the mother locked, or tied up and had the baby lay right outside of her reach.

All she had to do was renounce her faith, and the baby would be returned to her.

I don't remember how the story ended, but that just scared the s**t out of my wife and I. No way could I put a religion above the life of my child in that situation.

But I do remember the moral of the story was for us to "build up our spirituality" because things like this will happen SOON.

Good grief, this was 25 years ago, and it really made a mark on me for years. Yet I always knew that religion would be #2 in a situation like that.

And for years I felt unworthy because I did not have the correct mindset crafted by the wt society regarding this type of situation.

Anyone else have a personal experience like this ??