Posts by Gywen

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Attack on Iraq a Bush family thing..

by kelsey007 in

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cnn reports that: .

and, in discussing the threat posed by iraqi president saddam hussein, bush said: "after all, this is the guy who tried to kill my dad.

http://www.cnn.com/2002/allpolitics/09/27/bush.war.talk/index.html.

Gywen

Guest 77

Hi. I'm curious...Northern American indians losing their land during the last 500 years means what again?

Does this imply that there is an evil conspiracy by a covert group such as Satan, A One World Government, the Antichrist, the Illuminati, the CIA, etc, to take over the world and enslave everyone? I'm curious how you are connecting those two concepts.

Muslims killed all the Christians in northern Africa, and control the land to this day. Romans took over vast amounts of land until the Roman empire fell. What do all these things mean to you? This is sort of like an ink blot. I am wondering how you interpret people losing their land, and this implies what kind of conspiracy to you throughout time?

Peace

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Attack on Iraq a Bush family thing..

by kelsey007 in

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friends

cnn reports that: .

and, in discussing the threat posed by iraqi president saddam hussein, bush said: "after all, this is the guy who tried to kill my dad.

http://www.cnn.com/2002/allpolitics/09/27/bush.war.talk/index.html.

Gywen

I mean this in the most respectful way possible.

Do you fear an evil conspiracy by a covert group such as Satan, A One World Government, the Antichrist, the Illuminati, the CIA, etc, to take over the world and enslave everyone?

I mean this seriously, and respectfully. But if you answer yes to this, I submit to you that you are suffering from the effects of the paranoia instilled by being subjected to the mind control of cults like the WT. It will require specialized exit-counseling to help you get past. I am saying you need help.

I am an ex-JW who seriously started studying such conspiracies regarding the One World Government, the Shadow Governement, the Illuminati and so on. Fortunately, I managed to recover. Don't get me wrong, I am not saying that there aren't men who conspire... I am saying that there is no such evil conspiracy to take over the world and enslave everyone. God is greater than any such group (if it exists).

Seriously, check out this site if you suffer from such paranoia. I say this as a concerned friend who is now an ex-JW.

http://www.freedomofmind.com

Take care

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Good Books?

by freedom96 in

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besides the great franz books, anyone read anything else jw related that they can recommend?

Gywen

There are a lot of good recommendations on this post. I would highly recommend "Combatting Cult Mind Control" by Steven Hassan. He is a leading expert on exit-counseling. He has a newer book as well. His works have helped me not only deprogram, but what I learned has helped me in helping my friends and relatives that are still in the JW cult control.

http://www.amazon.com/exec/obidos/tg/detail/-/0892813113/qid=1033175609/sr=1-2/ref=sr_1_2/104-0027374-4711140?v=glance

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WORD MEANING??

by DJ in

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just what is up with words and their meanings with the jw's?

the other day, i had the occasion to speak with my mom regarding family business.

i brought up the issue of shunning.

Gywen

"I don't know if it is???? Do you? If it is used then I really would like to know where! Then I could show her and I think she'd be shocked! She needs a loving shock or two. Let me know?"

Yes, they do use the word "shun" to describe what they do in their own liturature. Here is a quote directly from the official WT site:

http://www.watchtower.org/library/w/1988/4/15/article_01.htm

"Such shunning would be appropriate, too, for anyone who rejects the congregation..."

While it is in their liturature (as the above shows), I doubt they call it that regularly in the meetings. Check this link out for a list of common buzzwords:

http://www.jwfiles.com/jw-words.htm

I wish you well in dealing with your Mother. I have a large portion of my family still in, or coming out, that I am helping still. It sounds like you are going in the right direction.

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How do ex-JW's actually choose another religion?

by buffy in

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ok, here's my question.

how do you go from being a jw to being a whatever (methodist, lutheran, etc.

) i've been invited to go to many churches with friends, but, i have no desire to ever set foot in any church.

Gywen

Buffy,

I am so glad you are free from the WT with your life and sanity intact. I will pray for you.

You describe my feelings ("I have no desire to ever set foot in any church") after I got out of the WT (back in 1995 when the "New Light" on the 1914 generation came out). I hear this sentiment expressed a lot, and beleive it is normal coming out of a high control cult like the WT.

I agree with others in saying "give it time". I went through the phase you describe, and I believe others have too. Even after 7 years, I still don't want to go to church, even though I am a member of one! (and its a great church...don't get me wrong)

The best thing I can tell you up front, is too get your hands on Steven Hassan's books, like "Combatting Cult Mind Control". (he has a newer book also). He is an expert and a leading Exit-Counselor. He is a survivor from a cult himself.

http://www.amazon.com/exec/obidos/tg/detail/-/0892813113/qid=1033165798/sr=8-2/ref=sr_8_2/104-0027374-4711140?v=glance&n=507846

One of the reasons why it is important to read one of his books, is so you do not fall into another cult...as another has already pointed out as being common.

Personally, I beleive that just about any Protestant denomination would be great for you. Spiritual development is a long road..it is not as simple as reading a red covered "Live Forever" book. Salvation is by Christ's finished work on the cross, through faith, plus nothing. Ephesians 2:8

"Keep seeking as for hid treasures, and you will find", is what the promise is.

In Christ

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JW Zone Trekkies

by Gywen in

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syn had a funny little dittie about jw's and trekkies here:.

http://www.jehovahs-witness.com/forum/thread.asp?id=29001&site=3.

what do you get when you put a bunch of computer literate star trek fans together on a forum?

Gywen

Hey SYN,

You are right, that site (JW-zone) is very non-conformist of them. Let's see, JW's that share what they think, as opposed to what the WT thinks for them.

Yes, Yes, independance it is! Independance leads to the dark side.

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Recorded telephone conversation with WT

by Insider in

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although the actual recording of the bill bowen/wt telephone conversation may not in itself be illegal in either the state of kentucky or new york, the broadcast of it on national television across the united states may be subject to other legalites.

one legality could be the fact that the broadcast of the recorded telephone conversation crossed many state lines, into states where secretly recording telephone conversations in any way is illegal.

or into a state where the broadcast of a secretly recorded telephone conversation it illegal.. also, if clips of the conversation were played out of context or in such an order so as to misrepresent the facts of the actual conversation, that may also be subject to legalites.. this all varies from state to state.

Gywen

ya, I was referring to Insider. I should have been clearer. sorry.

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NEW EXJW ON THE BLOCK

by buffy in

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you can read my bio to find out a little about me.

basically, i need support.

even after two years, i still think.

Gywen

Welcome Buffy.

I have been out for over 5 years. I am still healing and deprogramming. It takes time. I recommend one of Steven Hassan's books for exit counseling (that is, deprogramming) as the next best thing to professional counseling. I have "Releasing the Bonds".

http://www.freedomofmind.com/

He is a survivor of a another mind-controlling cult called the Moonies. He really knows this field.

By the way, to answer your question, ask yourself if membership in any organization is a requirement for eternal salvation. The WT has you programmed to think so, but try to find a scripture that says that. You won't be able to find it.

Salvation is by Christ's finished work, through faith, plus nothing.

It took me along time to deprogram myself, but it is possible.

Oh yeah, smoking is not a sin :)

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Recorded telephone conversation with WT

by Insider in

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friends

although the actual recording of the bill bowen/wt telephone conversation may not in itself be illegal in either the state of kentucky or new york, the broadcast of it on national television across the united states may be subject to other legalites.

one legality could be the fact that the broadcast of the recorded telephone conversation crossed many state lines, into states where secretly recording telephone conversations in any way is illegal.

or into a state where the broadcast of a secretly recorded telephone conversation it illegal.. also, if clips of the conversation were played out of context or in such an order so as to misrepresent the facts of the actual conversation, that may also be subject to legalites.. this all varies from state to state.

Gywen

Hey WT-defender, people are being molested and raped under the WT polcy to not tell the authorities, and the best you can come up with is if the recording was "legal" or not?! Get a life pervert.

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JW Zone Trekkies

by Gywen in

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syn had a funny little dittie about jw's and trekkies here:.

http://www.jehovahs-witness.com/forum/thread.asp?id=29001&site=3.

what do you get when you put a bunch of computer literate star trek fans together on a forum?

Gywen

SYN had a funny little dittie about JW's and Trekkies here:

http://www.jehovahs-witness.com/forum/thread.asp?id=29001&site=3

What do you get when you put a bunch of computer literate Star Trek fans together on a forum? Mindless propoganda with an Enterprise slant, that's what!

What many may not realize is that there are many JW's who openly, or privately, believe that once they are done making the earth a Paradise after 1,000 years (and that whole Satan's last rebellion thing is over) that they will explore the solar systems like Kirk on Star Trek! :)

Don't believe me? Consider what a Circuit Overseer once said regarding this. He said that once we finish making the earth for a Paradis, "Who knows what Jehovah has planned for us? He may very well have us explore and populate planets in the solar system".

Well there you have it, not just a close JW-trekkie-geek, but a CO who came right out in the congregation encouraging us to endure (under WT tyranny, no doubt) so that we can be among the millions of "Happy" survivors into a "New World" where we can eventually search the stars since we will be Living Forever after all.

There is a bit of irony here. For a bunch of people that are so resistant to going to Heaven to be with God, actually hope to go to search out the planets in heaven as the eventual goal after all. I guess living forever on a paradise earth is too boring for them. :)