Posts by keinlezard

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OCT 2019 Watchtower - Survival dependant on loyalty to JW Leaders

by Listener in

there is so much wrong with the newly released october, 2019 but that's not unusual.

what stands out is there statement claiming that survival through armageddon depends on loyalty to those 'taking the lead'.

since they claim there will be a point during the gt that they (the gb) won't be physically around, jws must still be loyal to jw leaders.. whats interesting in this article is that they make it clear that they, the governing body are going to take part, from heaven, in the war of armageddon.

keinlezard

Hi,

I just read the magazine ...

I wonder if it is not a mean to test JW about another thing ?

If this text will be a test on the reaction of the JW about the vanishing of GB ?

And in fact, the text did not speak really about the great tribulation , but for the GB, the possibility

of a new "light"

We all know that GB has a great problem with anointed and the 144 000

Some years ago all anointed was gathered in 1935 ... but with the death of these anointed

GB change the doctrine ...

now GB invented the "overlapping (elastic ? ) generation"

But, they know , they can pursue this ...

And when I read the §14 , I imagine that the GB is thinking about a change in the doctrine of 144 000

"They are gathered" and the GB is the last anointed and after them , their will be a new type of management

without the anointed GB

Best Regards

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Governing Body - Time in Ministry

by Peeringin in

is there any transparency in how many hours on the ministry the governing body members do on the ministry?

by this i mean the physical act of going door to door in their area.

i guess it is plausible that they would count overseas trips and working on publications as part of their ministry, but this is not what they encourage from the jw on the street.. is it possible for a gb member to be reproved or otherwise for not going out in service?

keinlezard

Hi

I've found the other pictures of GB member ... in fact it is Herd again :)

https://s3.dualstack.us-west-2.amazonaws.com/theworldnewsmediabucket/monthly_2016_02/large.56c7b68ebc08f_OURANOINTEDBROTHERHERDBYSERVINGJEHOVVAHOUTDOOR!!!!.jpg.04940788bc506bcbcaa7c5a2743369d7.jpg

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Governing Body - Time in Ministry

by Peeringin in

is there any transparency in how many hours on the ministry the governing body members do on the ministry?

by this i mean the physical act of going door to door in their area.

i guess it is plausible that they would count overseas trips and working on publications as part of their ministry, but this is not what they encourage from the jw on the street.. is it possible for a gb member to be reproved or otherwise for not going out in service?

keinlezard

Hi,

I will come back on Herd picture

Many things to say

First the man at left look at his case ... bad bad photoshoped

And another strange thing ... they walk under the trees ... many spot of

light and shades on the grass , on the wood ... on the left man but

nothing on Herd ... how is that possible his clothes are made of the

same matter than the Black Monolith of "2001 A space Odissey" (A. C Clarck)

I doubt of the reality of this picture ...

and for Sanderson some years ago another picture of GB member near

the sea on jw.org ... but when I look where picture could be taken ... I found

it was near the old headquarter of Brooklyn on the East River Side ( here

https://www.google.fr/maps/@40.7034479,-73.9952101,3a,75y,213.87h,93.7t/data=!3m8!1e1!3m6!1sAF1QipNxlhEBg0C8ccImQez3-tsSfqT1cVGfQxrqINsr!2e10!3e11!6shttps:%2F%2Flh5.googleusercontent.com%2Fp%2FAF1QipNxlhEBg0C8ccImQez3-tsSfqT1cVGfQxrqINsr%3Dw203-h100-k-no-pi-0-ya345.81256-ro-0-fo100!7i8704!8i4352 )

Where Sanderson exactly is ??

Best regards

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Watchtower/JW .org and their 'apostate driven LIES'⁉️

by Nathan R. Koppe in

watchtower/jw .org and their 'apostate driven lies'⁉️.

original public post at https://www.facebook.com/permalink.php?story_fbid=649327772198657&id=627052881092813.

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keinlezard

Hi,

It's a curious speech .....

The article says in fact , that paedophiles becomes Jehovah 's witnesses with the only goal to have access to child ...

But, if I believe S. Lett ... the organisation is not "permissive" ... Then how paedophiles can believe that they could access to child ??? It's totally illogic ...

It"s the right question "who is the liar ?"

Now it seem that the organisation itself says "Lett , Morris, Jackson are liars" !!!

Best Regards

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New Light on the 144,000?

by Ding in

someone on facebook is claiming to have reliable information that the gb is about to announce new light on the 144,000 -- that it's symbolic, not literal.. one person suggested that they will retain the two-class teaching and just change the meaning of 144,000. his idea was that the change would avoid three problems with the current teaching:.

1. embarrassment over more and more partakers at the memorial when the number should be getting less and less.. 2. embarrassment over 12 symbolic 12,000s somehow equaling a literal 144,000.. 3. solving the problem of running out of "anointed" ones who are old enough to be on the gb.. thoughts?.

keinlezard

Hi,

It sound strang to me .. because the 144 000 myth is like 607 myth or 1914 , it's a foundation of Jehovism ...

If GB change the "litteral" meaning to a "imaged" meaning ... they are cutting the branch where they are sitted.

How will they can say "we are the anointed GB" ??" since they are part of 144 000 ?

In such a same way if the meaning of 144 000 change, in some way it's the 1914 significance could change ...

because 1914 is the moment When Christ invisibly come back and begun to gather the anointed ... if they are not ... what could jesus gather ?

and finally ... if nothing more than the return of jesus lie on 1914 ... it's an open door to à 607 change since there is less and less reason for 1914 ....

But maybe I'm wrong :)

Best regards

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2019 BOE Elders letter May 13 England - Ireland Data Protection

by Not_Culty in

https://tinyurl.com/y2bzncu9.

keinlezard

Hi,

Same letter in France :)

I'm probably a "big apostate" if I think these letters have something to do with the Trial In Finland

where the watchtower has lost :) ???

Best Regards

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Congregation memorial stats

by nowwhat? in

2 congregations met together attendance 355 which is close to exact number of combined publishers.

only saw a couple of new faces.

so it looks like once again the invitation work was a complete failure and relatives of jw's couldn't be talked into coming anymore!.

keinlezard

Hi,

Here in France, almost 300 jw of 2 assemblies .

but wait a minute ...

we have a "restructuration" 2 or 3 assemblies vanished KH probably will be sold one day ( there is a mini assembly in it )

In fact , at the memorial , there were "free" seat.

And in KH ... since there is many many JW , theer are no seat for "Truth Friends".

Here,too more you have jw in KH , less you have free places for no-jw

It was predictable, no ?

The question is are jw conscious of that fact ?

When you are restructuring your assemblies and put more JW by assemblies , you have less free place for newcomers.

They repeat again this years that there are 8 millions of JW and 20 millions at memorial but I can't see how they push the walls in KH to find place :) when during the week assembly , jw are already "cramped "in the assemblies :)

Best regards

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Was There An Occasion Where An Entire Congregation Broke Away?

by pale.emperor in

i remember reading somewhere (perhaps on here?

) than an entire congregation disassociated and started their own congregation after decided that the gb were apostate.. was this an urban myth or is there any evidence of this?.

keinlezard

Hi,

Some years ago there were true "True Faith of Jehovah witness" a romanian group

Credinta Adevarata Martorii Lui Iehova ceated in 1992

http://www.tj-encyclopedie.org/La_Vraie_Foi_des_T%C3%A9moins_de_J%C3%A9hovah

sorry the page ins in fraench .. you can translate it with deepl.com translator

they had a web site ( seem to be down now http://the-true-jw.oltenia.ro/index.html )

on web archive

https://web.archive.org/web/20120119084130/http://the-true-jw.oltenia.ro/index.html

Best regards

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Radio Carbon Dating / Dendrochronology / Ice Core Data

by HiddenPimo in

so i was using our current (mankind's) scientific understandings to refute the possibility of a global flood.. i was not being argumentative but used the reasoning found on jw-facts.. what was the reply?.

https://wol.jw.borg/en/wol/d/r1/lp-e/101972243 (remove the b).

an article over 47 years ago smh.... how do you scientific minds help to show the accuracy of dates?.

keinlezard

Hi,

For the "flood" purpose only, I will not use radio chrononlogy .... there is no need :)

Consider only Egyptian Chronology ... all Kings and dynasties are know with accurate date ...

Thus , when you see that Egyptian civilisation existed before flood ( saqara pyramid for example ) and

after the flood ... the same civilisation , with same gods , same writing system existed too ...

how is it possible if God's flood ... destroyed everything ?

Only 8 persons in the Arch ... millions of egyptian are dead ... and , just after water vanish , this civilisation

with all gods , all persons is here !!!!

Abracadabra it's magic !!!

Consider now ... minoeans civilisation ... same .. existed before flood ... and after flood :)

And as we say in "France" ... "jamais 2 sans 3" ... "Things come in threes". .. consider Chinese Civilisation ... :)

you can add , with reason, all radio chronology ... but JW will says that because there was "water" upon the atmosphere ... the quantity of C14 may differ ....

then you can only use other radio chronology but it's a little bit more complicated ... :(

Best regards

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Beware of divulging any personal info on this site!

by Crazyguy2 in

hey this is crazyguy, forgot my password so this is my new name.

anyway be sure to all you new ones that if you post any personal info on this forum or respond to pms asking for email addresses this information maybe able to be used by wt spies to try and find out who you are!

someone has recently pmd me asking for my email address or more accurately to respond to his email address which would give him mine, this maybe an innocent request but this person also has no posting history.

keinlezard

Hello,

For that problem ... one solution ... more than 1 email !

I have many Keinlezard email , google , yahoo ...

and I have too my own email for the real :) then I can use my keinlezard email without problem :)

Best regards