My sons in London have just gone to a talk with Richard Dawkins and they said it was absolutely fantastic and were extremely impressed with his argument for the non-existance of God.
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16Richard Dawkins forum
by zoiks inare there any posters here who also read and/or post on the forums at richard-dawkins.net?
it seems as though a large number of xjws post there.
there are some really good and thought provoking points made, from a slightly different perspective.. just wondering!.
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My Book of Bible Stories--extremist?
by sd-7 inin lands where there is no love of god or freedom, jehovah's witnesses are being persecuted for speaking about the good news of the kingdom.
why are these lovers of peace being persecuted?
god's word tells us: "all who are living in godly devotion in association with christ jesus will also be persecuted.
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cry
I agree that there should be some sort of education regarding cults and their practices so that kids are forewarned about what questions to ask and what to look for. Unfortunately J.W.s are often seen as a group on the fringes of Christianity and not a cult so they are allowed a lot of freedom. There should be a much bigger campaign to highlight the damage they do. As regards the My Book of Bible Stories, I used to read this to my son when I had stopped going to the meetings but I decided I would not read it any more to him after really thinking about what it was actually saying and depicting in graphic detail. At one assembly there was a little kid up on the platform, with Bible Stories book in hand, talking about being teased as school. When asked how he dealt with it he said that he just reads the page about them being destroyed at Armageddon - to which he got a HUGE ROUND OF WHOOPS & APPLAUSE. I was sickened and did not appluad - here was a young kid being encouraged to think that death was the way to deal with difficult situations. It has been a memory that has never left me - a child terrorist.
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Why Would Someone Like me Leave the "Truth"? Part 5 (Final Installment)
by cantleave inthis is a direct continuation od part iv.................................... you can imagine the reaction of the people who saw me storm out of the hall but what happened in the elders meeting after i left was even funnier.
mike told me that there was stunned silence for about a minute.
slimeball said well take that as his stepping down!.
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cry
Find these posts really interesting. Please do not feel guilty over past decisions Cantleave as they were made with the best intentions. Unfortunately, when you 'break free' you look back and cannot believe how you could agree with such actions. We have all been there, and, yes you are right, everything you did was coming from the cult mentality. You are moving forward to a much better place, and I am sure the anger will lessen, but it is not easy. Peace and Love to you and your lovely wife and all the best for 2010.
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Feeling Unfit, Fat and Unhealthy
by cantleave ina semi-serious request.. i hate exercise (yes i am an indolent slob), i sit in an office or a car most of the time and eat and drink too much.
so my new year's resolution is to lose weight (about 3 stone would be good) to try and prolong my life a little since i ain't got eternity in mind anymore.
i am looking for fun ways to get fit, or an effective home based diet programme that has worked for other people.
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I try and 'be good' during the week and then have a couple of days 'off' at the weekend, that way you don't deny yourself anything and can look forward to a pint or whatever at the weekend. Also walk whenever you can - a power walk if possible. I am saying all this in the knowledge that I feel like a 'blob' myself at the moment!
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Right to Die Issue Terminally Ill, Hopelessly Paralized, Etc..What Are Your Thoughts?
by frankiespeakin infirst off let me say this is not about me, i'm happy and healthy.
it really about all the suffering i see people going thru.
examples in my family over the years have caused me to think very seriously this.. i could give you a couple of examples and i'm sure some of our posters can tell other horror stories they'd witnessed where perhaps it would have been much better for them and their family if they could have passed away painlessly and with much more dignity.. one of my sisters developed breast cancer and died after about a 12month struggle, we saw her waste away to just skin and bones, it was hard on me as well as her two young children and husband.
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It's not a subject most of us wants to think about, but watching someone you love die a painful death surely makes you question the rights and wrongs of it. My father, who suffered lung cancer, was given a large doze of morphine, which I am sure hastened his death (uniofficially) - it would have been cruel to have prolonged his suffering. We all understand the concept of euthanasia for our pets - nobody wants them to suffer, so why is it different when it comes to humans. Undoubtedly, it is the religious issue that gets in the way of making any progress on this and that is not fair for those of us who are not relogious or, if they are, do not believe it to be a sin. With tight guidelines etc. there must be a better way to end your life than in agony, or unable to eat and drink and, in effect, starving to death.
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Fabulous food cooked by my sons, over indulgence, stupid competitive games, christmas t.v., beauty products, digital photo frame, purse, booze. But the most important of all is time with my family - I love them sooo much.
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Why do Ex-JWs start celebrating pagan Christmas?
by DubR inhiya guys and gals.
im not trying to be self-righteous but i want to understand the thought process of someone who knows the origins of christmas, but starts celebrating it (putting up christmas tree, exchanging wrapped gifts; repeating merry christmas to everyone they see in the month of december)??
it seems very silly to me (imo) after knowing how and why christmas was created (to cater to pagans sun worship and convert to christianity)!!
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Let's face it -none of them would if they DIDN'T WANT TO. They have spent some or all of their lives being told what they can and cannot do so they are not about to do something just because everyone else does it. For most, I imagine, it is just a 'winter celebration' and indeed in some politically correct areas of the UK they have renamed it a Winter Celebration so as not to upset other religions. Also, there are many non-christians that celebrate it - obviously not thinking about the Jesus aspect of the story, but the cultural one. As for upsetting children when they realise Santa is not true - this is absolute rubbish. Has there been a single therapist in the world who has had to counsel someone due to the upset caused when they realised Santa was not true? Of course not! If it was so upsetting then why would these people go on to tell the same story to their Kids? Bright lights, family, food, booze, cake, no work, relaxation, t.v., kid's amazement, sentimentality, surprises, glitter, stars, tinsel, crackers, silly games, dressing up, little black dress, kids out with new bikes, chocolate, christmas pudding, turkey, tablecloths and napkins, good wishes from friends, family walks to burn off the calories, cards from long lost friends/family, happy faces - at least for one day, mistletoe, mulled wine, etc. etc. etc. that's why ex JWs celebrate it - along with a good healthy doze of 'UP YOURS'!
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Any Freelancers here willing to show the way?
by AK - Jeff ini have felt a drive inside, for a while now, to write.
to write something.
yet i have no idea where to start.
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The only time I was compelled to write anything was when my beautiful dog of 13 years died last year. I was so heartbroken that the only way I could see around it was to write some poetry. It matters not that anyone else likes it, but I found it really cathartic. I am going to try the same thing around the break up of my marriage. I don't think kids are encoraged enough to experiment with writing - it's almost like it's someone else's job, but everyone has something to say, and saying it in their own way is to be encouraged.
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Congregation "Bible Study" Comments - Week Commencing 7 December 2009
by LUKEWARM in*** lv chap.
13 pp.
144-159 celebrations that displease god ***.
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I remember my ex (JW) who was a 'best man' at his brothers KH wedding had no idea about the history of toasting and at the end of his 'speech' asked everyone to 'toast' the bride and groom........lol. Utter silence!
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My 16 year old son is starting to see the light
by vivalavida inon march this year (2009) i dad myself from the jws.
of course, it was nice to finally feel free, real free, after over 40 years of mind control.
i don't write much here but i feel this is worth sharing.. one measure i took before leaving was to take my then 15 year old son for a walk and explain to him that things would be different from the jws standpoint, but that i would always love him and that he could come to me at any time.. one thing that was very hard for me, is the fact that i separated from my wife, with which i was having problems for a long time already.
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Hi Viv, You sound like a wonderful father. I always believe that ultimately, life is simple. So, you can give your boy the facts as simply as you can. It is the WT that try to complicate everything, but your son will see through it. I myself have been in a similar situation with my boys, and I am so pleased that they have reasoned for themselves. Kids nowadays, are so much more astute than we were, and can handle different viewpoints much better. Let your relationship with him be the most important thing, and, hopefully everything else will fall into place. It did with me - I went from being the mum who would shortly be destroyed to being the mum who had im!portant knowledge to pass on My thoughts are with you. x