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Why we NEED the WATCHTOWER.

by refiners fire in

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the watchtower: october 15, 1953. article - "the watchtower, a bible study aid" .

brothers, i present it for your uplifting.

a little light sunday reading..... .

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Pseudo,

You may or may not realise that you have hit the nail (almost) on the head.

What you have done is use one of the basic Watchtower practices; that of using embedded suggestion to bypass filters in the brain. Whilst the concious mind is busy trying to work out what you are actually saying the, sub-concious is taking in the material they want you to believe.

You only need a basic understanding of hypnosis and hypnotic suggestion to see how this works and how effective it is. Combined with other similar strategies, this makes the Watchtower a powerful tool indeed. Believing what it says is not a matter of intellect or intelligence - anyone in the world who has not studied these techniques can be fooled in this way.

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Englishman, Please Read

by Windchaser in

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i went back to read what you had posted in my 'let's hear it for chesterfield' post.

it was blank.

i reponded to your blankness, and there was some sort of message stating that neither of our posts were readable.

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Windy,

I hope that you dont mind if I explain to Englishman exactly why your church spire is twisted. You see, the explanation that it was due to warped timber is just a malicious rumour. What actually happened is this:

Just as the building gang were putting the finishing touches to the steeple, a virgin passed by on the street below. This being an extremely rare sight on the streets of Chesterfield, all of the workman scrambled to one side of the steeple to catch a glimpse of her thus causing the steeple to twist.

The local clergymen were very disappointed that the steeple ended up this shape and made the builders promise that just as soon as the next virgin passed by they would come and straighten it up.

You can therefore see exactly why the steeple is twisted and also why it was never straightened up.

Just wanting to get the facts right.

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Englishman, Please Read

by Windchaser in

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i went back to read what you had posted in my 'let's hear it for chesterfield' post.

it was blank.

i reponded to your blankness, and there was some sort of message stating that neither of our posts were readable.

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Windchaser would you now like to tell Englishman the REAL reason that the steeple is crooked? I believe that it had something to do with a the Chesterfield virgin !

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A Note of Sanity

by Know_You in

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i'd like to inject a note of sanity into this wasp's nest of disgusting apostate vermin.

between all the bickering and backbiting, you have, as the scriptures foretold, not noticed that the day is upon you.

already it is the auspicious month of october.

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You Know (Know You) is either a bumbling idiot or an absolutely brilliant satirical author. Just try reading his posts as if he were the latter and you will see that some of the responses that he gets are completely hilarious.

For me his contributions here are priceless. He goes straight for a nerve and then swerves off at the last moment leaving the reader completely incensed but unharmed. Some may think that Im as nutty as You Know but I really mean this.

I do not believe that You Know is a practising JW or that his posts necessarily have anything to do with religion. He strays onto this subject only occasionally in order to wind everyone up.

Thank you You Know. Keep up the posting.

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Happiness in a Box?

by Satanus in

is it possible to get happiness from a little box w a small computer inside?

i read about this kind of stuff in scifi books.

the future is now.

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SS,

I think that its called ECT!

Seriously though, somewhere I have the drawings for this gadget which is very quick and simple to make. If I can fish them out I will post them sometime.

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Strange Ways

by link in

there have been numerous recent threads about the level of psychiatric illness amongst the jw fraternity.

does anyone have any stories about the way in which this manifested itself with people in their congregations?.

i remember the brother who was found by the police in the early hours of the morning wandering about in the local park.

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Oh! I almost forgot.

There was one brother in this congregation that I went to at one time who was banned from going on the ministry unless accompanied by an Elder.

Apparently he suffered from acute paranoia and if the householder "didn't want to know", he took it as a personal insult. This would lead to the use of foul language and threats of bodily harm to the householder. The police were called on more than one occasion before he was restrained with the banning order from the Elders.

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Strange Ways

by link in

there have been numerous recent threads about the level of psychiatric illness amongst the jw fraternity.

does anyone have any stories about the way in which this manifested itself with people in their congregations?.

i remember the brother who was found by the police in the early hours of the morning wandering about in the local park.

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Blondie,

You are absolutely right. All those I mentioned above were well on their way before finding "the truth"

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Strange Ways

by link in

there have been numerous recent threads about the level of psychiatric illness amongst the jw fraternity.

does anyone have any stories about the way in which this manifested itself with people in their congregations?.

i remember the brother who was found by the police in the early hours of the morning wandering about in the local park.

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There have been numerous recent threads about the level of psychiatric illness amongst the JW fraternity. Does anyone have any stories about the way in which this manifested itself with people in their congregations?

I remember the brother who was found by the police in the early hours of the morning wandering about in the local park. Apparently he believed that he was Jesus in the Garden of Gethsemane and he was waiting for Judas to come and betray him.

On another occasion this same brother was taken into "care" whilst giving a public talk from the roof of the local multi-storey car park. When he was admitted to the ward he found that the occupant of the next bed was his own mother! Probably she had been doing strange things also. Either that or he had driven her round the bend too.

Also there were the elderly couple who spent more time in the local psychiatric ward than in their own home. The only time you could be sure not to find them hospitalised was when they attended the Memorial in order to partake of the emblems.

She was a fanatic about going on the Ministry and witnessed to everyone who came into earshot. Her favourite trick was to get hubby to pull up close to the next car at the traffic lights. She then got the driver to let down their window before stuffing the Watchtower and Awake into the car.

Those were the days!

Anyone else got similar memories?

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Stumping bible questions for JW's

by Dawn in

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i have a friend who is studying with the jw's right now.

he's a very open minded guy and has been interested in hearing what i have to say on the matter.

he has seen the dateline show (i taped it for him) - and i've shown him some info about the history.

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Hi Dawn,

If I were you I would try to keep it simple. Your friend is only a "Study" so may not yet have got to the problem areas. These problem areas are mostly kept hidden from people who are studying so it is good that you are looking for them now.

They should be the sort of question that his study conductor can believe are his and not something he has been primed with.

My all time favourite "simple dubstopper" is at

http://www.jehovahs-witness.com/forum/thread.aspx?id=35634&site=3

and its quite easy to see that a Study might ask this question.

Also, if I were you I would go to

http://www.freeminds.org/history/communityfacility.htm

and print out the section titled Watchtower Indroctrination Program Explained. This will be interesting reading for yourself too as it shows what to expect if he goes ahead.

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Approaching family- the specialist attack.

by happysunshine in

i'm going to approach my family about the witnesses.

i may only get one shot at this, so it'll have to be good.

something short, fast, and effective, but with the possibility of further growth.

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Prisca is right.

I have to deal with this situation on a daily basis, as those nearest and dearest to me have been "in" for just far too long. Any attempt that I made to destroy their belief system would also destroy them and I could just not bear that responsibility.

On the other hand, if someone is showing evidence of having doubts they are probably already mentally re-adjusting, even on a sub-concious level, to a changed situation. In this case there is no harm in providing them with a little help to see things a bit more clearly - but let them start the ball rolling.

Or if you want, just sew little seeds infrequently and lightly - no big deals to start.

As someone with some knowledge of this problem my advice would definately be "do nothing and say nothing" unless a very clear opening presents itself - then walk on egg shells.

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