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  NEW LIGHT - Watchtower Quotes

  by UnDisfellowshipped in

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  below are watchtower quotes about new light!.

  i would love to hear everyone's comments (including current jehovah's witnesses).. you can distribute these quotes freely!.

  i got these quotes from http://quotes.jehovahswitnesses.com which is the best watchtower quotes website on the internet!.

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  Happy Man,

  All of your posts seem to carry the same error: The religious organisation that you belong to claim to be the only true religion and unless you follow their doctrines and beliefs then you are not a Christian. Those responding to you do not belong to such organisations and therefore do not make these claims on behalf of their own beliefs.

  They freely admit that it is their understanding based on their knowledge of the Bible. You claim that your view is the only possible one, although much of it is only loosely based on the Bible. Cant you see how wrong you are? (Obviously not!)

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  What was youre favourite

  by barry in

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  jw book.

  the aid book i thought was very good mine is on loan to my dad who is an elder in another denomination so hopefully its still of some use.

  barry

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  The 68 was a good vintage too Barry.......... Oooooooooops I thought you were talking about the Champers.

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  The Judges Funeral

  by link in

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  i read somewhere that judge rutherfords funeral was delayed by court cases.

  apparently he wanted to be buried at "beth sarim" at sunrise or something.. if this is not just some mythical story, can anybody provide links to further information on this topic?

  i have tried "search" but cant find anything and am quite curious about it.. thanks.

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  I read somewhere that Judge Rutherfords funeral was delayed by court cases. Apparently he wanted to be buried at "beth sarim" at sunrise or something.

  If this is not just some mythical story, can anybody provide links to further information on this topic? I have tried "search" but cant find anything and am quite curious about it.

  Thanks

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  p.s. I hope this subject is suitable for JW News and Events
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  No Questions, No Answers!

  by bjc2012 in

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  the road to god's "truth", divine truth, is the same.

  it takes real, real "effort" before truth, divine truth can be achieved.

  and therefore, they could not give it to us, this divine truth.

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  I am full of admiration for people who are confident enough to put their views and opinions on the Bible up for scrutiny. I wish I could do the same and I always read these threads with interest.

  However whenever I hear former Jehovahs Witness' claiming to have found "the truth" about Bible prophesy - then I hear bells and see flashing lights.

  Does any one else get that "deja vu" feeling or is it just me?

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  What's The First Step To Leaving The "Trut...

  by minimus in

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  for those that have entirely left, what was it that first got you seriously thinking that this really wasn't the truth?

  for those that may be in just mentally, you can answer too....

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  The simple answer to this question is DOUBT.

  Crisis of Conscience lead me to believe that the Society knew that their 607 BCE chronology was wrong. I wrote to them asking two simple questions and requesting YES or NO answers.

  Despite more than one attempt by me,they absolutely refused to give yes or no answers but went off into reims of explanation that left me with no answers. This meant that at a later date they could not be accused of lying to me. It was then that I realized that they knew that they were wrong and were purposely misleading everyone with their major doctrines.

  Now I just feel sorry for them. They have backed themselves into a corner from which there is no honourable escape.

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  Loyalty to the truth

  by happy man in

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  at bokstudy yesterday , we talk of the diffrent things gb say, and who we must stand to this.. i tell that they are only peopel and have make some misstaks, as we can se , fore exampel in the proclaimers book, well the study leader say, we must shoe loyality to the gb, even iif it later show upp to bee wrong, it is very importat that we follow what they say.. this is a ver difficult area, ofcourse in our religion we can not have 6 million diffretn wuies, but if we follow evry word very carefull, are we then not follow man?.

  what about if they say something who take your life, and later change this, who is responsibel, or even worse our kidds, who are resposibel if they die on such polyci, like the transplantaision prohibition, we have fore some time, are we fore exampel personaly responsibel fore our akts, when the day is here, or can we say, we only follow what the gb say.. this is a very tricky qestion who i think about a lot

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  Happy Man,

  Please note that the examples that you give are not extreme, rare or hypothetical as claimed in the response that you have been given.

  If someone gives you wrong information on a single occasion you can perhaps accept their fault as being a minor one. But it is entirely up to you as to how many times that person gives you wrong information before you start to think that there is something seriously wrong with them. For many people the Society has been wrong on far too many occasions. It is not possible to just overlook this as light getting brighter or the actions of imperfect men.

  In the end I believe that you must base your decision on how aware the person giving you the wrong information is that he is doing so. If he is well aware of what he is doing then you can only believe that there is a serious problem somewhere and steer well clear.

  It is not difficult to find strong indications that the Society is fully aware that it is providing wrong information to its followers, as evident in the above post from Nathan. The reason that not more people cease to be followers is that they are strictly forbidden from looking for these indications and therefore are completely ignorant of the fact that they are being mislead.

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  My Child Of God Philosophy

  by Zechariah in

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  the child of god comes of age

  this is the whole story as i have been inspired to know it.

  we are helped in our understanding of god by relating or analogizing him to other things that are similar we know better.

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  Zechariah,

  You have nicely highlighted the exact point that I was making.

  Nobody knows even the approximate date of the flood, we have a little better idea of the date of Jesus death and we know the date of the French Revolution.

  The well known Watchtower trick is to put all the known data and all the unknown data into a box and give it a good shake. Then, lo and behold, we find all the unknown data has changed into known data and, as in your example, we know the date of the flood and precise timing of Jesus death

  Since you are using the time of the flood you have to know approximately when it happened and as far as I can see the only way you can do this is as I have indicated here.

  This is only my personal opinion and apart from the attaching of dates, I like your discussion.

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  My Child Of God Philosophy

  by Zechariah in

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  the child of god comes of age

  this is the whole story as i have been inspired to know it.

  we are helped in our understanding of god by relating or analogizing him to other things that are similar we know better.

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  I have nothing but the deepest respect for those contributors to the board who have the courage to put their honest beliefs, theories and opinions forward for the inspection of infidels like myself. To me they make fascinating reading and put a whole new perspective on the way I view things myself.

  The problem is that I have such an open mind that things have a habit of quickly falling out of the bottom of it.

  If I were ever worthy enough to comment on the content of these articles I would just say that, for me, they are spoiled by attempting to attach credibility to them by quoting such things as dates and time scales from our current calendar. The writings are pure speculation and for this reason do not need or deserve to have so called facts attached to them.

  As ex-jws in good standing will well know; facts only get in the way of beliefs.

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  Yes the WT Told Millions of Youth NO COLLEGE!!

  by JT in

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  *** watchtower september 1 1975 p.543 questions from readers *** .

  how many years of secular education are advisable for children in christian households?

  today, there are many teenage baptized servants of jehovah... how far should they go with a secular education?

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  I think that all this must be confusing for an observer looking in from the outside.

  The P.O. in my wifes congregation is in his fifties, has university degrees and holds down a powerful and well paid job. On the other hand his mother was counselled not to have any more children after his birth because the end was imminent and the preaching work was more important. I know these two events took place many years apart (birth and university) so maybe the rules changed in the meantime on both family size and education.

  Another very respected elder has two daughters who he sent to university. One is now a lawyer and the other a very successful business woman and both still in the "truth".

  This same elder has the most normal lifestyle that I have ever seen in a witness. He is an antiques dealer and his wife a successful artist and they are quite well off with a large home in the country. They both always seem genuinely happy and cheerful when I meet them and most of their closest friends wre "worldly" people.

  There are a lot of anomalies in this game!

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  Talk by a Branch Overseer (part II)

  by Defender in

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  cygnus .

  below is my reply in red to your reply in an earlier post.

  i felt it merited a separate post.. .

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  A P.O. once said to me that the 1914 doctrine was probably wrong. When I asked him how, in that case, could he justify teaching it to others he replied "Ah! But its right for our time"

  What he was saying was that although he, and possibly many others, did not believe it, the fear of destruction at an imminent Armageddon was sufficient to drive many people into the "truth". All he seemed interested in was numbers, not the truth!

  To illustrate this point, one of the brothers that I studied with became a baptised witness within six weeks of first call. It was 1975 and he was told that unless he was baptised within the next two months it would be too late for him to get everlasting life on a paradise earth. He was in faster than the speed of light and the funny thing is he is still there!

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