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  Women! Sheesh!

  by John Doe in

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  i've got a pregant coworker.

  needless to say, she's a woman.

  evidently, asking "are you still pregnant" is not an appropriate way to broach the subject.

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  Surely there is a woman out there who will ride Doe's willy and improve his attitude toward the opposite sex.
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  Women! Sheesh!

  by John Doe in

  1. jw
  2. friends

  i've got a pregant coworker.

  needless to say, she's a woman.

  evidently, asking "are you still pregnant" is not an appropriate way to broach the subject.

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  Actually, not so needless to point out her sex these days, with all the news stories about pregnant men.
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  Do you feel pity when you see JWs working hard for Jehovah?

  by african GB Member in

  1. jw
  2. friends

  does knowing that jws are not god-chosen organisation they claim to be break your heart when you see them do fs in extreme conditions, like during a hot summer day or in snow?.

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  I do feel sorry for them. It used to be anger, now it's just pity.
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  Yes ANOTHER song thread. What song best describes you?

  by awildflower in

  1. social
  2. entertainment

  http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tlptb6qgflk.

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  http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dxiq-qvaseo.

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  http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nIHP9o6X6D8
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  Is your spouse a die-hard JW? Valentine's Day is coming up...

  by JimmyPage in

  1. jw
  2. friends

  ... a good chance to show them how much fun the holidays can be!

  send them some flowers and candy, get 'em a card... it doesn't even have to be the 14th... and if it is- how mad can they be at you?

  you're showing how much you care!

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  Such an evil holiday... obviously from Satan himself!
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  I'm Out

  by Cthulhu in

  1. jw
  2. friends

  wednesday night i recieved a call from both the coeb and the kingdom hall.

  i didn't answer.

  yesterday i called him back and i was informed that unless i wanted to talk to the brothers they had determined that my actions spoke for themselves and that i had by those actions disassociated myself.

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  The last time I heard the announcement that a friend of mine was no longer a Witness I was actually jealous!
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  Is your spouse a die-hard JW? Valentine's Day is coming up...

  by JimmyPage in

  1. jw
  2. friends

  ... a good chance to show them how much fun the holidays can be!

  send them some flowers and candy, get 'em a card... it doesn't even have to be the 14th... and if it is- how mad can they be at you?

  you're showing how much you care!

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  ... a good chance to show them how much fun the holidays can be! Send them some flowers and candy, get 'em a card... it doesn't even have to be the 14th... and if it is- how mad can they be at you? You're showing how much you care! That's gonna be my strategy, at least!
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  Frustrated with JW Bible study!

  by ElizabethTravers in

  1. watchtower
  2. bible

  i am new 2 this forum.. i have been meeting up with 2 jw ladies on a weekly basis.

  it has all been "polite".

  today we covered a bit of the trinity.. i had read rhodes book on reasoning from the scriptures with jw's, but i found almost all my arguments that i used, in terms of every bible verse we went through (or i attempted to go through with them) went pear shape!

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  Arguing doctrine with a JW will get you nowhere. You will have better results trying to subtly get them to see that they are in a mind control cult. Try to help them see what they might be doing if they weren't JWs. This brings out their authentic personalities.

  If you can shatter their belief that the Governing Body of Jehovah's Witnesses is God's "faithful and discreet slave" the rest of their beliefs will come tumbling down. You might review their history of false prophecies to help accomplish this.
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  The BITE model of mind control: "E" is for "Emotional control"

  by JimmyPage in

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  emotional control1.

  manipulate and narrow the range of a person's feelings.. 2. make the person feel like if there are ever any problems it is always their fault, never the leader's or the group's.. 3. excessive use of guilt.

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  IV. Emotional Control

  1. Manipulate and narrow the range of a person's feelings.

  2. Make the person feel like if there are ever any problems it is always their fault, never the leader's or the group's.

  3. Excessive use of guilt

  a. Identity guilt

  1. Who you are (not living up to your potential)
  2. Your family
  3. Your past
  4. Your affiliations
  5. Your thoughts, feelings, actions

  b. Social guilt
  c. Historical guilt

  4. Excessive use of fear

  a. Fear of thinking independently
  b. Fear of the "outside" world
  c. Fear of enemies
  d. Fear of losing one's "salvation"
  e. Fear of leaving the group or being shunned by group
  f. Fear of disapproval

  5. Extremes of emotional highs and lows.

  6. Ritual and often public confession of "sins".

  7. Phobia indoctrination : programming of irrational fears of ever leaving the group or even questioning the leader's authority. The person under mind control cannot visualize a positive, fulfilled future without being in the group.

  a. No happiness or fulfillment "outside"of the group
  b. Terrible consequences will take place if you leave: "hell"; "demon possession"; "incurable diseases"; "accidents"; "suicide"; "insanity"; "10,000 reincarnations"; etc.
  c. Shunning of leave takers. Fear of being rejected by friends, peers, and family.
  d. Never a legitimate reason to leave. From the group's perspective, people who leave are: "weak;" "undisciplined;" "unspiritual;" "worldly;" "brainwashed by family, counselors;" seduced by money, sex, rock and roll.

  (the above info comes from freedomofmind.com)
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  The BITE model of mind control: "T" is for "Thought control"

  by JimmyPage in

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  thought control1.

  need to internalize the group's doctrine as "truth".

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  III. Thought Control

  1. Need to internalize the group's doctrine as "Truth"

  a. Map = Reality
  b. Black and White thinking
  c. Good vs. evil
  d. Us vs. them (inside vs. outside)

  2. Adopt "loaded" language (characterized by "thought-terminating clichés"). Words are the tools we use to think with. These "special" words constrict rather than expand understanding. They function to reduce complexities of experience into trite, platitudinous "buzz words".

  3. Only "good" and "proper" thoughts are encouraged.

  4. Thought-stopping techniques (to shut down "reality testing" by stopping "negative" thoughts and allowing only "good" thoughts); rejection of rational analysis, critical thinking, constructive criticism.

  a. Denial, rationalization, justification, wishful thinking
  b. Chanting
  c. Meditating
  d. Praying
  e. Speaking in "tongues"
  f. Singing or humming

  5. No critical questions about leader, doctrine, or policy seen as legitimate

  6. No alternative belief systems viewed as legitimate, good, or useful

  (the above info comes from freedomofmind.com)