i'm vacation and watched as my wife headed out for her piosneering this past monday...i was pissed, because i'm here, but she'd rather be out there, hawking the wares of the borg as a non-paid employee.
i stewed in the house for 3-4 hours, angry that i took vows with this woman, but she essentially is forsaking those vows for her "friends", when she knows i don't care for it.
well the tolerance finally wore off!
I'd be interested in knowing how many marriages were saved if it got to the point of someone actually saying 'Jw's or me'
You twist my words a little so I will reword my question, Would you change your religion if your husband said he knew best and felt that religion was unacceptable to him? its a retorical question I do not know your hubby this is more of should any hubby/spouse have a right to change there spouse's religion type question.
i'm vacation and watched as my wife headed out for her piosneering this past monday...i was pissed, because i'm here, but she'd rather be out there, hawking the wares of the borg as a non-paid employee.
i stewed in the house for 3-4 hours, angry that i took vows with this woman, but she essentially is forsaking those vows for her "friends", when she knows i don't care for it.
well the tolerance finally wore off!
He's her husband! He loves her and thinks she's in danger! He wants to open his wife's eyes to what he precieves as something that will damage his and his wife's marriage. I don't expect you to sympathize because you don't have an iron in this fire. I would expect any man who loves his wife as deeply as Krjw to act in the same way. What you think about this matter doesn't matter. He's already discounted your so-called advice. You get no brownie points here Reniaa.
Josie
hi josie I do simpathise I wouldn't have come on otherwise, I just think there are some things we cannot justify doing and telling a person what faith they can or cannot have is one of them, If your husband turned around tomorrow and demanded you gave up your faith on his say so saying he knows what is best for you and you cannot decide for yourself would you leave your faith for him?
i'm vacation and watched as my wife headed out for her piosneering this past monday...i was pissed, because i'm here, but she'd rather be out there, hawking the wares of the borg as a non-paid employee.
i stewed in the house for 3-4 hours, angry that i took vows with this woman, but she essentially is forsaking those vows for her "friends", when she knows i don't care for it.
well the tolerance finally wore off!
I have to say your right mrsjones but one thing you pointed out to me on what he said made me blink
Of course not, but I do have the right to tell my wife to examine the scriptures without "bible-based" books. To use outside sources and as a black woman to stand up with strength and understand that no one can tell her what she can & cannot read.
you don't think he just contradicted himself in the same sentence there? surely if he thinks she has the right to stand up and have no one tell what she can and cannot read that also includes wts publications or is he making them the exception?
i'm vacation and watched as my wife headed out for her piosneering this past monday...i was pissed, because i'm here, but she'd rather be out there, hawking the wares of the borg as a non-paid employee.
i stewed in the house for 3-4 hours, angry that i took vows with this woman, but she essentially is forsaking those vows for her "friends", when she knows i don't care for it.
well the tolerance finally wore off!
and yet i'm the only one to give advice to the poster of going to marriage councilors a third party if he's got to the point of saying 'It's Jws or me?'
Erm guys you must know ad hominen arguements attacking me rather than what I say have no effect on me, they say more about you than they do me. lol I post as my life allows, I don't care if you believe me or not, like I said I have no reason to lie, I have never feared elders and suchlike they are just men, Whats the point of being a JW just to hide things from other people when God can see it all anyway?
Mary I respect you answered what I said and though I don't agree with you, I do thank you for answering my words
Like I said I only went on this thread out of concern for the posters saying they were struggling with this issue of a partner being a Jw and getting to a point of the marriage ending over it and hoping that maybe they can see that two differing faiths can be together but it takes a lot of love and not demands.
reniaa
i'm vacation and watched as my wife headed out for her piosneering this past monday...i was pissed, because i'm here, but she'd rather be out there, hawking the wares of the borg as a non-paid employee.
i stewed in the house for 3-4 hours, angry that i took vows with this woman, but she essentially is forsaking those vows for her "friends", when she knows i don't care for it.
well the tolerance finally wore off!
Well I've had my say on whether I think someone has a right to decide his/her spouse's faith in place of God.
In the end no adult can pick the faith for another adult, well we can try but like I said children will grow and make their choice, adults may lose their spouse because they cannot realise this,
If you managed to get your wife to stop physically being a witness but inside her thoughts she still is one but has to hide it from you, how would you feel?
For those who try and apply my words to WTs well thats your choice we enter many different contracts in life, in work, in marriage, with our God, you have to decide what each one has a right to ask of you contractually
Reniaa.
i'm vacation and watched as my wife headed out for her piosneering this past monday...i was pissed, because i'm here, but she'd rather be out there, hawking the wares of the borg as a non-paid employee.
i stewed in the house for 3-4 hours, angry that i took vows with this woman, but she essentially is forsaking those vows for her "friends", when she knows i don't care for it.
well the tolerance finally wore off!
hi Mary and Hi Mrs jones
Your points are invalid because you are talking on two unrelated things. Marraige and worship to God!
Does God have a right to ask me to worship him? Yes.
Does my husband have a right to ask me to worship him putting him before God? No
Do I take it from what you both say you went into Jw's without knowing what you were baptising yourselves into? I knew they were asking a more moral strict line and their publications and teachings would all reflect it, It isn't an easy path to walk but when I failed I blamed myself only.
The contract of marriage in no part says my spouse has a right to my beliefs only God has that right.
i'm vacation and watched as my wife headed out for her piosneering this past monday...i was pissed, because i'm here, but she'd rather be out there, hawking the wares of the borg as a non-paid employee.
i stewed in the house for 3-4 hours, angry that i took vows with this woman, but she essentially is forsaking those vows for her "friends", when she knows i don't care for it.
well the tolerance finally wore off!
Hmmmm My only hope in answering this thread was maybe giving someone a pause when they think they have the right to choose another persons thought or right to worship whatever they choose!
Some say that the Jw's are evil so basically that is justification for telling another adult what they can or cannot do! Well you can feel this but if they don't agree with you (and I personally don't agree) then you will have a difficult situation.
Another said 'If it takes over their life more than I like I would pack my bags', that is certainly a choice that any spouse would have. but personally I have always thought conditional love isn't very strong, if you have to say "If you love me you would do this!"
For me love is about sharing and coming to an agreement, once you start making demands and taking positions, it times to seek marriage councilers or going to relate, so my final advice for unhappy spouses is get some counciling for your marriage if you've started becoming the 'thought' police on your partner.
Also I will for a change recommend a book for you to read....
George Orwells "1984"
i'm vacation and watched as my wife headed out for her piosneering this past monday...i was pissed, because i'm here, but she'd rather be out there, hawking the wares of the borg as a non-paid employee.
i stewed in the house for 3-4 hours, angry that i took vows with this woman, but she essentially is forsaking those vows for her "friends", when she knows i don't care for it.
well the tolerance finally wore off!
Can I ask you guys if it was any other faith that asks a lot of devotion and commitment i,e Jewish, muslim, hindu would you feel the same?
If you yourself had a strong religion not JWs and attended church giving a strong level of commitment to that God, would you give it up because your wife/husband said she/he didn't like it or the people and found it offensive?
Do we as humans have a right to tell another adult what they can and cannot worship? children are brought up in their parents faith but eventually they have to make a choice as adults for themselves but you as husbands/wifes do you have the right to make a spouse give up personal belief because you don't agree with it?
You may say "well it effects my life in a negative way" but would you then give your spouse a list of acceptable religions that you feel they can follow that wouldn't cause you to much hassle?
Someone having a strong faith in God is not unfaithfulness but it is something people will understand less and less these days, the concept that God is first is something most faiths do not in practise do anymore, if we have a faith now we bend it to our wishes not the other way round these days.
If my husband said to me "You can't be a JW because I don't like it " I would say "I'm sorry you don't like it" and try and make him feel loved around my being a witness but I would not give up my faith in Jehovah for him.
some witnesses state that "gods people will be persecuted" or "if you are not being persecuted, then you better examine your life".
a jw who works where i do poured the last cup of coffee out of the pot, and was asked to make another pot for the other workers.
he responded "sorry, i have to go to work now".
Perhaps he just forgot to put the coffee on again because his mind was full of what he had to do at work,
If any other worker had done that which is quite possible, would you have even thought to question it, wouldn't you just have said to yourself 'That guys a bit selfish and not thought of others' but because you know the person is a Jw you acrue some sort of religious motive to it?
There is a fine line on predjudice and we have to be very careful not to cross it, If your seeing the faith before the person and everything is coloured by, this you are no longer capable of decerning without bias.
according to the table in the back of the nwt, genesis and exodus were composed around 1300 bce, by moses (who also wrote in exodus about his own death, nice feat).
however, the oldest existing copies or fragments of genesis are only from around 200 bce.. .
additionally, comparison of genesis with sumerian and babylonian creation accounts reveal many, many similarities, and the sumerians and babylonians had there stories long before 1300 bce...so it appears that someone copied someone else merely changing a few names to suit a different audience.
but isn't the hypothesis only as good as the evidense and since we do not have original manuscripts etc it is a theory that is ultimately unprovable?
I remember hearing scholars said OT was written same time as NT before the dead sea scrolls were found.
