Please someone correct me if I'm wrong, but I understood that the bitter herbs date back to the first passover in Egypt, where the isrealites used the bitter herbs to signify the bitterness of their bondage...
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4Bitter Herbs = drugs?
by sinis inexodus 12:8 >>.
new american standard bible(1995).
they shall eat the flesh that same night, roasted with fire, and they shall eat it with unleavened bread and bitter herbs.. .
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Major JW flaw in reasoning?
by Satans Son inthey sell the idea of living forever with an all-knowing god as something to look forward to.. yet, that means no privicy, and they cannot hide anything, including their personal thoughts and desires... have they not considered this point?..
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Moxie
"that means no privicy, and they cannot hide anything, including their personal thoughts and desires.."
As has been mentioned by a previous poster, that is exactly how they live their lives right now. They constantly feel God's eyes upon them. I suppose the thought of paradise is liberating because they believe that they won't face temptation and so having God breathing down their necks won't be so bad at all...
PS: Ceiling kitting is totally creepy.... I love it! Though if my cat did that, forget the squirt bottle... there'd be big trouble! LOL
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Natural disasters in past and future paradise.
by Awakened07 inthe future earthly paradise is supposed to be a calm, peaceful place where people can live forever in harmony with each other and nature, a place where nothing bad will happen, and suffering, death and destruction does not exist.. there is a problem here (well, there are several, but here's another).
what about natural disasters?
easy-peasy to answer; jehovah will make it so those never happen, right?.
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Moxie
So if it's 'always' been that way, and must have been so even through the original paradise (if we for the sake of argument say it existed), why would the future paradise be any different? And why is the universe (and earth) created to be such a violent place to begin with?
...Well He works in mysterious ways doesn't He? lol
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Did you know I am a SATANIST?
by Tired of the Hypocrisy inseveral months ago, my wife's drunken, wife abusing, bully of a jw uncle offered (we didn't ask...he offered, ok?
) to allow us to use some space on his property to store some things we had in a 10x10x8 storage unit we were paying for.
it sounded good since we are short of cash most of the time and it would only be for about 3-4 months.
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Moxie
You should have just told him that you wouldn't store your ouija bord on his property and that you'd leave the tarrot cards out as well :P Then he would have nothing to worry about.
What a load of crap, honestly I can't believe people can be so mind-numbingly blind to the propeganda that they are spoon fed! That's a nasty situation and I'm sorry you're having to deal with that kind of thing... try not to let it get to you.
Just out of curiosity, any idea why they though you had "demonized" things in your storage room?
"Moxie"
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Well, we went out after the memorial....
by megawatt inafter the memorial, we decided to go out and grab a bite to eat.
my family and i went out with a witness couple that we consider close friends.
for the last couple of weeks, i've expressed my views re: wts to my good friend openly and turns out he had the same thoughts and doubts as well.
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Moxie
What a HAG! I can't believe she had the gumption to say that!
(Pick the most aweful elder) "Brother Elder already claimed you as part of his princely rights."
LMAO!!!! That's gross & awesome all at the same time....
"Moxie"
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How did you spend the memorial?
by sinis inpersonally, i stayed at home (my wife went), made steaks, drank beer, and watched several vulgar/demonic movies in the world of the jw's (halloween, the eye, hitman, no country for old men, saw iv).
i later went over to my mother in laws house to meet up with some other in laws - who i saved from the jw's - and talked about how the memorial was a waste of f@cking time... then drank more beer waiting for my wife to come back...
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Moxie
I was at home watching Turner Classic Movies... it was a great pity party!!
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My Memorial Experience
by oneairhead infirst of all i noticed that this just seemed like another meeting.
when we drove in we had people parking us in strange ways, not to mention that the amount of cars there was just as many as a highly attended sunday meeting and we do fine then when we have no one to park us.
they had more seats set out and there were no new ones just people who had not come in awhile.
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Moxie
standing around with people showing fake interest in you is very in
That's Funny!... and yet very sad
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Elders want to visit after memorial !!
by lancelink inwell, i attended the memorial last night, and since i have been inactive for some time two of the elders came up to me afterwards.
they want to get together and discuss how to get me active again.
since i am going thru some withdrawal pains, i spinelessly agreed to talk with them this friday evening.
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Moxie
My advice is not to stand them up... if you don't want to be there reschedule and then reschedule and... you get the idea. Some of the advice here is really important, keeping your conversation brief and to the point. If they coax you into spilling the beans it will be bad news bears. I personally ignored the elders and stood them up on more than one occasion. What I ended up with was a voice mail on my answering machine a few weeks later saying that they were announcing my disfellowshipping that night at the service meeting. So take it from me, if you want to fade, don't give them any reason to get upset with you. Good luck and hang in there :) "Moxie"
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Atrocities in the name of god
by lilyflor inhttp://www.jordanmaxwell.com/articles/religion/christian%20bloodshed.pdf.
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Moxie
"As a species, humans are developmentally retarded by the effects of religion. As far as I am concerned it is the agnostics, atheists, and secular humanists who are at the vanguard of the mental, psychic, and moral evolution of our species."
Alpaca - I couldn't agree with you more...!
IMO, Religious indoctrination has held back the normal psychological development/evolution of our species for centuries not to mention the atrocities it is responsible for.
"Moxie"
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Ex-JWs... feelings of isolation, agoraphobia...?
by Moxie inhi all... :) sorry for the novel.... i'm just wondering if there are any others out there who share similar experiences as me or have any comments and insight.... when i was a jw i was very, very social and active with friends and family in a wide range of activities.
i would even have considered myself the party-starter ;).
i used to plan events and social get togethers for all kinds of situations.
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Moxie
TopHat, I appreciate your advice but if the problem were only feeling sorry for myself I would indeed have grown out of it after all this time. No, unfortunately it is much more deep seated than all that. I don't feel self pity, in fact I feel that immensely proud of what I have overcome. The problem, which many others have said that they share is the feeling of being misplaced... of not belonging... of feeling lost and in limbo if you'll pardon the expression. The result of this at least in my case is severe anxiety, panic attacks and depression. I'm beginning to wonder if this afflicts mainly individuals who were raised as a JW and then left. It would be interesting to examine that hypothesis anyway. Being here is helping out a lot, just knowing that there are so many others out there that understand...
"Moxie"