A much larger issue, with greater long-term effects, is that you are starting to have doubts about JWs and he isn't. Before you both decide on how you will deal with the elders (btw the elders are taught that uncleanness is on a par with sexual immorality if it is practiced), you need to honestly evaluate your doubts--whether you can stifle them for the sake of being married to a man who may have a different view of JWs or whether you need to communicate openly with him about them. His reaction, if you communicate your doubts, may cause you to view him in a new light. It may be that he has doubts that he has stfiled for your sake. Either way, better to have a handle on this now, than after you're married.
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hello. pls help. getting married soon. afraid i won't be happy because wtbts said so.
by seasickbumblebee inalshello.
i'm a practicing jw.
finally decided to create an account to see whether you could all help me.. so i am engaged to this wonderful wonderful man and in three months time we'll be married.
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Open letter Re: Mr. Bowen, Mrs. Anderson
by Prime in"jws leaders need to mandate elder bodies to uniformly report abuse to the authorities no matter what jurisdiction; prohibit elders from being involved in any investigative process to decide guilt or innocence in place of the authorities; do away with the two-witness rule to determine, as if they were magistrates, guilt or innocence of someone accused; prohibit so-called repentant molesters from engaging in the door-to-door ministry, and always inform the congregation if a convicted or confessed molester is meeting with them.
" -barbara anderson .
this is another reason why the watchtower society doesn't require that the elders uniformly report abuse to the authorities no matter what jurisdiction.
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Prime,
I haven't engaged you before and really don't want to now. Besty is a good friend of mine (terrific guy, really). He asked a simple question to which I hoped you would provide a simple answer: " why are elders instructed to call the Watchtower legal department before doing anything else?" If you don't know why, simply answer "no." If you do know why, please share. A simple answer from you, either way, would prove most informative to this debate that you have initiated.
Thank you in advance.
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WTS reply brief due on 7/31. They've already been granted one extension. If they file on the 31st, the Court will set oral argument. The Court then will deliberate on the papers and arguments and issue its ruling.
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Thomas Jefferson - July 4th
by DNCall injuly 4th is not only the date americans celebrate independence, but it's the date of thomas jefferson's death.. i think it would be appropriate, not only for this day, but for this forum, to share a couple of thoughts contained in the virginia statute for religious freedom, drafted by thomas jefferson in 1777. this statute serves as a precurser to the first amendment of the u.s. constitution.
first regarding the nature of truth: ".
.truth is great, and will prevail if left to herself, that she is the proper and sufficient antagonist to error, and has nothing to fear from the conflict, unless by human interposition disarmed of her natural weapons free argument and debate, errors ceasing to be dangerous when it is permitted freely to contradict them:" (emphasis mine.).
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Ding: Ironically, Adams' last words were "Jefferson lives!"
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Thomas Jefferson - July 4th
by DNCall injuly 4th is not only the date americans celebrate independence, but it's the date of thomas jefferson's death.. i think it would be appropriate, not only for this day, but for this forum, to share a couple of thoughts contained in the virginia statute for religious freedom, drafted by thomas jefferson in 1777. this statute serves as a precurser to the first amendment of the u.s. constitution.
first regarding the nature of truth: ".
.truth is great, and will prevail if left to herself, that she is the proper and sufficient antagonist to error, and has nothing to fear from the conflict, unless by human interposition disarmed of her natural weapons free argument and debate, errors ceasing to be dangerous when it is permitted freely to contradict them:" (emphasis mine.).
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July 4th is not only the date Americans celebrate independence, but it's the date of Thomas Jefferson's death.
I think it would be appropriate, not only for this day, but for this forum, to share a couple of thoughts contained in the Virginia Statute for Religious Freedom, drafted by Thomas Jefferson in 1777. This statute serves as a precurser to the First Amendment of the U.S. Constitution.
First regarding the nature of truth: ". . . Truth is great, and will prevail if left to herself, that she is the proper and sufficient antagonist to error, and has nothing to fear from the conflict, unless by human interposition disarmed of her natural weapons free argument and debate, errors ceasing to be dangerous when it is permitted freely to contradict them:" (emphasis mine.)
Immediately following this statement, we read: " Be it enacted by General Assembly that no man shall be compelled to frequent or support any religious worship, place, or ministry whatsoever, nor shall be enforced, restrained, molested, or burthened in his body or goods, nor shall otherwise suffer on account of his religious opinions or belief, but that all men shall be free to profess, and by argument to maintain, their opinions in matters of Religion, and that the same shall in no wise diminish, enlarge or affect their civil capacities."
How eloquently this condemns the doctines of past truth/present truth, suppression of thought and speech, and shunning, practiced by the Witness religion.
Happy 4th!
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desperate or stupid - you decide
by finally awake injust ron has received a couple of phone calls in the last few days from the rbc brother wanting him to come roof a kingdom hall.
now, just ron hasn't been to a meeting since december 2011, and certainly hasn't got a current volunteer form on file.
so i ask, are they desperate or just stupid?.
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This falls under the stupid category--they don't keep up-to-date records. I got a voice mail from a talk coordinator two weeks ago asking if I had anyone who could give a talk in his congregation the following Sunday. I became inactive in 2007 and was disfellowshipped in 2009.
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Candace Conti: Due date for WTS Reply Brief Extended
by DNCall inoriginally due this monday, the parties have stipulated to an extension of 30 days to july 31. .
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Originally due this Monday, the parties have stipulated to an extension of 30 days to July 31.
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Former COs that Become Inactive
by Bob_NC insome long years ago a circuit overseer told me that the area he was from had several former cos that had "left the road" as they call it and were just sitting on their laurels.
he said that they don't pioneer and some were irregular publishers.
a different co made a remark to the effect of "you think that servants or pioneers live a restricted life, cos are under the supervision of the service dept.
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CO from the 1950s became inactive, got into grandiose business schemes that never got off the ground. He was eventually diagnosed as extreme bipolar. In a fit of mania, he raised hundreds of thousands of dollars (something he could never do in his right mind) from doctors who invested in a business that existed only in his head. The episode ended when he drove a Lincoln up the stairs of the Beverly Hills City Hall. His loving wife stuck with him through all of that. This isn't hearsay or rumor. He told me this himself with his wife in the room. They struggled financially. Last I saw them, they were managing an apartment buidling and living on his disability checks and still associated. He was one of the kind ones, good speaker, played the piano, wrote songs, not a company man.
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Warwick project... I had no clue it was this big!!!
by sosoconfused inhttp://www.townofwarwick.org/wt_con/_appendix%20j.pdf.
of course i was aware that the new headquarters would be there but according to the above plans it is immense!.
253 acres???
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Acres and acres of undeveloped property both at Patterson and Warwick. What I always found amusing is that the space devoted to education at the Patterson Educational Center is insignificant compared to the rest of the developed area.
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Fading ... and Feeling Lost
by What Now? inprior to that we had been in a new congregation for about 9 months, and we were just irregular.
my husband rarely went, and i would go occasionally with our toddler son just enough to show our faces and keep the elders off our backs, and for the sake of some friendships in our old hall.
all of the reasons i had for going were just no longer important.
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Are there any ex-witnesses that left before you did that you enjoyed being with? There were quite a number of these in our case and it has been great reconnecting with them. I'm hoping you have some of those.