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  POLL Do you think the average JW is happy?

  by aSphereisnotaCircle in

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  i noticed on another thread a poster stating that he felt that unhappy jw's were in the minority.. .

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  DNCall

  As one Circuit Overseer told me about three years ago, "half of the friends are on Prozac and the other half should be."

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  70 years = 607?

  by allelsefails in

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  70 years of captivity?.

  i myself have always believed that when archaeology disagreed with the bible the bible must be right.

  that is how i dismissed the idea that jerusalem was destroyed in 586/587 bce.

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  I suggest you Google "John Aquila Brown". In the mid-1800s he published his theory that there is a connection between the seven times of Neb's insanity and the appointed times of the nations mentioned by Jesus in Luke 21. Charles Taze Russell appropriated Brown's theory. You have correctly stated that the 1914 chronolgy is rendered moot if there is, in fact, no such connection, as Brown theorized.

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  Memorial Problem

  by InTheSpotlight in

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  looks like a good place to get info and share ideas.. o.k.

  my first question:.

  i am a christian.

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  I would go with No. 2. You will see that the event is basically an infomercial for the Watchtower Society and a device for taking a census of possible new converts. Any communion that the scattered few who partake have is incidental to the main thrust of the event. I say this having presided over a number of "Memorials."

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  May 15th Watchtower - New Light?

  by slimboyfat in

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  the new watchtower asks the question: "when was satan cast out of heaven?

  - rev 12:1-9".

  and the answer it gives is: "so, then, the bible does not reveal the exact time when satan and his demons were expelled from heaven.

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  This thread has really reminded me of how hard it is to interpret what is being taught in the Society's literature. I think it's because, on one hand, they want to give the impression that they've figured out Bible chronology and on the other hand, the fact that they're just guessing.

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  May 15th Watchtower - New Light?

  by slimboyfat in

  1. jw
  2. friends

  the new watchtower asks the question: "when was satan cast out of heaven?

  - rev 12:1-9".

  and the answer it gives is: "so, then, the bible does not reveal the exact time when satan and his demons were expelled from heaven.

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  The ouster of the "great dragon" and his demons from heaven was apparently fully accomplished by the end of World War I. According to Revelation 11:1, 2, the "holy city" was trampled on by the Gentile nations "for forty-two months," from autumn of 1914 to the spring of 1918.

  "Fully accomplished" are the operative words in this quote. They do not take away from the ouster in the autumn of 1914. World War I began on 6/28/14 and ended on 11/11/18, a period of over four years. Freddy whimsically applied the forty-two months (3.5 years) of Revelation to some time within the World War I period. Don't try to figure it out beyond that. I doubt that Freddy could have explained it if challenged.

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  May 15th Watchtower - New Light?

  by slimboyfat in

  1. jw
  2. friends

  the new watchtower asks the question: "when was satan cast out of heaven?

  - rev 12:1-9".

  and the answer it gives is: "so, then, the bible does not reveal the exact time when satan and his demons were expelled from heaven.

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  I always thought it strange because, how could Satan have caused the First World War if he was not expelled from heaven until it ended.

  Jesus supposedly was enthroned on October 2, 1914 when the Gentile Times ended, several months after the outbreak of WWI. Supposedly, one of his first acts as King was to throw Satan and his demons out of heaven. So, given this timeline, Satan was still too late to have caused WWI.

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  May 15th Watchtower - New Light?

  by slimboyfat in

  1. jw
  2. friends

  the new watchtower asks the question: "when was satan cast out of heaven?

  - rev 12:1-9".

  and the answer it gives is: "so, then, the bible does not reveal the exact time when satan and his demons were expelled from heaven.

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  1914 is the only date that has ever been associated with Satan's ouster from heaven as far as I can recall.

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  Daniel 4 - 7 times linked or otherwise to Luke 21:24

  by besty in

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  "26 evidently, nebuchadnezzars seven times involved seven years.

  in prophecy, a year averages 360 days, or 12 months of 30 days each.

  (compare revelation 12:6, 14.

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  Google John Aquila Brown. He's the 2nd Adventist from whom CTR appropriated the idea of the Dan. 4 - Luke 21 connection.

  You would think that in Jesus' mentioning specific prophecies in Daniel 4 and 7, he would have made a specific reference to Daniel's prophecy re Nebuchadnezzar's period of insanity if indeed it was relevant.

  Another aspect to this discussion is the arbitrary application of the day-for-year calculation. In the two biblical instances it appears, it is linked to two specific outcomes: the 40-year trek in the wilderness (Numbers) and the judgments against Israel and Judah (Ezekiel). If there is a pattern to be followed in using this calculation, certainly it would include mention of the event it was being linked to. Not so with 2,520 days/years. Linking this calculation to 2,520 days is at the whim of the likes of John Aquila Brown and CTR.

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  Deceptive or just wrong?

  by johnnyc in

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  i have been virtually non-stop studying everything i can get my hands on with regards the wtbts, and "apostate" literature and information.

  in all honesty, 80% at least is non-sense and over critical.

  however, i do find about 20% (if i have to create a percentage reference) is appropriate in its line of reasoning and questioning.

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  Deceptive and wrong.

  Whether or not a lust for power is a motivating factor or not, self-preservation certainly is. The formula of creating a sense of urgency together with imminent deliverance has always worked. When predictions prove wrong, deception is needed to keep the ball rolling.

  When the numbers have gone down, a sifting has occurred. When the numbers are up, it is evidence of divine blessing. Prophets/not prophets--it's all deception.

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  Do JW's...

  by Honesty in

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  magnify or bring reproach upon jehovah's name?

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  Given that Jehovah's Witnesses are the butt of so many jokes, many of them broadcast in mainstream media, it's fair to say that reproach and ridicule have been brought upon the divine name.