Posts by Finkelstein

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Use COMMON SENSE for Covid 19 - not LAWS!

by BoogerMan in

so says former justice of the supreme court, lord sumption.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=86p7eejenkm.

he correctly calls the "lockdown" for what it is - house-imprisonment.

Finkelstein

Its easy to criticize people (governments officials) for their decisions and enforced laws until the responsibility rests on your own shoulders.

To make a situational analogy, lets say the governments said well folks go about your own daily routines as in work, social actives, schooling, business, pleasure etc. as you will but it would be advisable to wear a face mask, rubber gloves (PPE) etc.

What would happen to the number of cases occurring and the number of deaths in comparison to how the governments have actually enacted ?

All businesses had the option to remain open with no restrictions, such as restaurants bars, pubs, no restrictions on air travel, border crossings etc.

People's liberties were left intact and unbounded by enforced restrictions.

Can you imagine what would have resulted from taking that positional stand ?

Quite frankly I've hated these restrictions as much as anyone else and I'm glad they are going to be lifted soon.

I do agree with this judge's statement that these restrictions have stepped on people liberties a bit but it was done so for the protection and well being for the greater population as a whole. Now lets lift them and get working on that vaccination.

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Use COMMON SENSE for Covid 19 - not LAWS!

by BoogerMan in

so says former justice of the supreme court, lord sumption.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=86p7eejenkm.

he correctly calls the "lockdown" for what it is - house-imprisonment.

Finkelstein

Personal liberty at the cost of causing the death of unexpected innocent ones..

ummm ????

England has suffered the worse death rate in Europe because it didn't lock down soon enough.

There were certain elements to this pandemic which were unknown, so decisions had to by implemented by government officials from what they did know.

Yes there was an engagement of fear and panic mixed in with a bit of ignorance to be sure.

Yes this did take a hit onto personal liberties perhaps but governments are in place to react to situations like this for the betterment of the population to which they govern over.

I dont think this Judge really knows how viruses like this spreads about in a general populated social environment.

ie. Merely talking to someone within close proximity (2 Feet) can transfer the virus to between two people.

Yes these lock up restriction have been harsh and difficult but the consequences of not having them my have resulted into matters a lot worse, there is nothing worse than death in the human experience.

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Education vs JW?

by galaxia_moon in

i am 15 years old and recently just doubting this whole religion that was introduced to me when i was very small from a very good family friend.

doubt obviously comes with shame and guilt and i hate those feelings because it feels like i'm betraying this whole organization that i grew up in.... anyways, i've been doing research and found that jehovah's witnesses dislike/shun kids who attend colleges & universities that are more than 4 years long?

have you heard of this?

Finkelstein

Welcome to the forum Galaxia.

I hate those feelings because it feels like I'm betraying this whole organization that I grew up in...

You shouldn't be made to feel unloyal to this pretentious organization when its realized this organization is founded by lies, ignorance, fear, corruption, coercion, exploitation and manipulation.

It was and still is an organization that creates power and money for a few select men and that's mostly the reason it exists.

Most religious organizations were founded and built upon these principle endeavors.

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Weekly Meeting Importance Being Reduced - Your Thoughts?

by JWTom in

jw
friends

i am pimo, but now have 40+ years of being a jw as i was raised in a 3rd generation family of witnesses and continue to fake my way through things - fading as i can.. for the vast majority of my time as a jw, the meetings were the central focus for all jws to get teaching, association, information and so on.

nothing was more important than being at the meetings!

over the last 20 years starting with the elimination of the weekly book study in homes and continuing down to today - my opinion is that the value/purpose of the weekly meetings continues to be diluted or minimized.

Finkelstein

Lets not forget about how the elders (power consumers) like to watch over the flock to see what the rest the congregation are doing , ie. what they are wearing, hair length and visual observation etc.. .

This suggestion that the Jworg. is going to piddled down wholly to a online religious organization is improbable speculation.

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Weekly Meeting Importance Being Reduced - Your Thoughts?

by JWTom in

jw
friends

i am pimo, but now have 40+ years of being a jw as i was raised in a 3rd generation family of witnesses and continue to fake my way through things - fading as i can.. for the vast majority of my time as a jw, the meetings were the central focus for all jws to get teaching, association, information and so on.

nothing was more important than being at the meetings!

over the last 20 years starting with the elimination of the weekly book study in homes and continuing down to today - my opinion is that the value/purpose of the weekly meetings continues to be diluted or minimized.

Finkelstein

To me it would seem like organizational suicide to stop the meetings....

Correct , sociological engagement is valuable and necessary in religious organizations like this, it creates an awareness and perception of support to the believers.

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Have you ever known elders who were more into being and elder than really being a believer?

by phoenixrising in

i have known many elders who were much more into the idea of being an elder and getting all the old ladies to tell them what wonderful talks they give and the power then really being a believer.

i had one elder tell me that when he became an elder he was on top dog on top of the heap.

i knew some who were really all about the religion and following the cult.

Finkelstein

Simon says ......

possibly the only one they have ever had and will ever get in their life, and they can bully people with it.

The psychological engagement of power and a uplift in personal stature or self identity is what drives many men to be JWS elders, to bask in the power of god is a glorious thing indeed.

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Weekly Meeting Importance Being Reduced - Your Thoughts?

by JWTom in

jw
friends

i am pimo, but now have 40+ years of being a jw as i was raised in a 3rd generation family of witnesses and continue to fake my way through things - fading as i can.. for the vast majority of my time as a jw, the meetings were the central focus for all jws to get teaching, association, information and so on.

nothing was more important than being at the meetings!

over the last 20 years starting with the elimination of the weekly book study in homes and continuing down to today - my opinion is that the value/purpose of the weekly meetings continues to be diluted or minimized.

Finkelstein

Becasue the JWS religion was framed upon a false commercialized gospel created by men who ran their own publishing house, this is the real reason this relgoius organization is starting to fade away, add in corrupt self serving tactics of non discloser of pedophilia within their organization and its eventual decline is not surprising.

People have access via the inter-net to do some research about the organization , noting the deaths, the suicides, the questionable doctrines, the fact that the original leaders of the organization were not highly trained bible theologians.

As Millie210 said the organization's decline is starting in spite of the GB leaders saying more and more Kingdom Halls are going to be needed because of the growth in numbers.

Pretentious dishonest lying has been an integral part of this organization for a very long time, people are starting to "Witness" that .

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The Great Crowd Fallacy

by Vanderhoven7 in

the great crowd of other sheep witnesses allegedly first began forming early on in the 20th century.

rutherford was totally unaware of this crowds existence until 1935. it was revealed to him in 1932 that the great crowd members were heaven-bound.

then light flashed from heaven in 1935 showing that this group was an earthly class.

Finkelstein

That's because 1874 and 1914 was a theological fraud created mostly to attract attention to the literature the WTS published.

Strange is it not that Jehovah god would choose corrupt apostate false prophets as his chosen organization here on earth ???

Loyal followers of these men (JWS) are just sharing the sins of what these men have committed. The gospel of what these men perpetrated for over century was really a tainted preaching of the Gospel of Jesus.

Mayby that's why most christian based faiths never pointed out a certain time of Christ's return and date setting as the WTS did ?

They had respect to Jesus and his words that no one knows not even he and not to try and set a time on god's own sacred time ???

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Trying to get my head around these go bags

by phoenixrising in

when i was looking at prepping back in the 90s i was told by several elders that we needed to just rely on the org and jehovah and not prep.

i started to put away vacuum sealed bags of rice beans and spices anyway.

now they have this go bag crap.

Finkelstein

But what about the great persecution to come upon Jehovah's chosen people which the JWS heads say they are that organization ?

You better have your go bags packed and ready brothers and sisters.

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Update again

by Akid48 in

i don't know if anyone remembers me on here but i'm here to do an update again.. well, i'm 15 going on 16 soon i still remember watching my first video on youtube and learning that all the jw teachings are false and everything that follows.

crazy times, i have chosen to just focus on school and just trying to be a kid well a teen now but you get the point.

i'm not really mad about all the jw stuff i've come to accept that i couldn't have done anything to prevent it i was born into a family that was already into the religion.

Finkelstein

Truth, knowledge and integrity kills all religoius cults, it takes some responsibility to each of us as individuals and the betterment toward humanity as well.

Be careful to all things presented and sold to you, this includes things not related to religion too.

Keep going Akid48 , your on the right track.